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Such as the back seat?
Back seat,
Yes, sir. I believe I did,
And outside of what you've described, did you find
anything else in the car?
I believe there was 4 briefcase.
Did you open the briefcase?
No, sir. I don't think or no, I didn't open the
briefcase and I don't know if it was opened but
the Detectives were here at that time.
All right. And you have no idea yourself, es you
git there, what the briefcase contained,
No, sir,
If anything.
No, gir.
The defendant's driver's license indicated that he
had a Kansas address, didn't it, if you recall?
I believe so, sir,
QO.K. It even gave an address, didn't it?
Yes, eix.
QO.K. And that was in Lawrence, Kansas,
I don't recell.
You can refresh your recollection if you want.
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Oh, o.k. Yes, sir.
O.K. Now, after the arrest and between then and
now, did you have eccagsion to discuss this matter,
for example, with Mr. Katzer?
Yes, sir.
And do you know on how many occasions you did that?
Two, three.
Did you do it today?
Yes, sir.
And when?
Sometime this morning, 1 think it was.
Was it before Court this morning, before 9:30?
I believe so.
And when you discussed this matter this moraing,
were any other officers with you when you had this
discussion?
Yes, sir.
Who were they?
I think there was Officer Igoe and that SUNY officer.
Officer Lascoe.
Lascoe,
O.K. And was that the first time that you three
had been together with Mx. Katzer?
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No, no, sir,
When was the other occasion or occasions?
I don't know the exact dates,
How many times, then?
Two or three times,
And the three of your were together with Mr, -
Katzer,
Correct.
Now, when you were together with Mr. Katzez, did
any discussion ensue between you aod him and the
other officers about the fact that Officer Lascoe
had stated in his report that the Lieutenant found
the gun and found it under the seat?
MR, KATZER: Objection.
THE COURT: Overruled.
THE WITNESS: The only discussions,
each time he discussed it with us, the other two
officers had to leave the room,
KUNSTLER :
They had to leave the room. You were never al-
together talking to Mr, Katzer,.
We would discuss one at a time.
One at a time. And when you discussed with Mr.
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Katzer, didn’t Mr, Katzer say to you that Mr.
Lascoe had reported a different version of the
eveote than you did?
MR. KATZER: Objection,
THE COURT: Sustained,
KUNSTLER:
Did Mr. Katgzer tell you that Officer Lascoe had
stated in his report that the Lieutenant found the
gun and found it under the front seat on the
passenger's side? Did he ever mention that to
you?
I don’t recall,
You don't recall.
No, I don't think so,
So I take it you are testifying that you can't
recall whether Mr. Katzer ever told you anything
about Mr. Lascoe’s report. Would that be your
testimony?
MR, KATZEK: Objection,
THE COURT: Sustained, Sustained.
KUNSTLER :
About where the gun wae found and who found ir.
THE COURT: Sustained, Sustained,
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KUNSTLER ;
All right. Is it your testimony that at no time
did Mr. Katzer ever tell you that Officer Lasco<c
had attributed the finding of the gun to the
Lieutenant and that it had been found on the floor
of the car under the passenger's seat?
The only thing that I can recall discussiog with
the Assistant DA here is my statements, and that
was it that I recall.
So your answer would be no to that question.
Correct.
O.K. Now, at any time other than with Mr, Katzer,
did you have any conversation with Mr. Lascoe and
Officex Igoe together when he wasn't present?
I'm talking he meaning Brother Katzer.
THR COURT: Relative to this matter,
KUNSTLER :
Relative to this matter,
We were told not to discuss it among ourselves, if
I remember correctly.
So the answer is you didn't.
Mot that I recall.
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Ho, sir,
O.K. Now, can you tell me how long it was after
you arrived at the Pinebush Substation that you
put your initials oo the gun and on the rounds,
the five rounds?
How long I was at the station before I initialled
them? ,
Yes, before you did that.
Ten minutes, fifteen, I couldn't give you a time,
sir, I don't recall,
How, did you write out any handwritten notes about
what you have told us in a notebook?
No. I don’t carry @ notebook.
And do you know how long after you got to the
Pinebush that you completed the arrest report that
you've identified and which I think is our Exhibit
C for identification and which is a carbon copy,
a photostatic copy which is in front of you?
This was also done with a booking officer,
Officer Olthoss that did the typing.
Did you dictate it to him?
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And the information he took off the driver's
license.
And also the information that he took off the
driver's license.
All right. And how long after you got to Pinebush
did you dictate it to him, the portion that came
from you?
Five minutes, ten ainutes; after we took Mr.
Spearman out of the patrol wagon.
And with reference to the gun and the rounds, what
did you do with them after you marked them?
They were placed in an evidence bag,
And have you seen them from that day to today?
I had seen them, I think a copple of times, since
then, sir,
Now, at any time that you were present with Mr,
Spearman that night ox withdrawn, What time did
you leave the presence of Mr. Spearman for the
firet time that enenkin after -- at Pinebush?
What do you mean by what time!
Let me withdrew it. It's awkward. As I understand
your testimony, he was in your immediate proximity
until unit 53 errived om the scene; is that correct,
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Oh, yes. He was in unit 15,
Now, 1 am talking about unit 53,
He was placed in unit 53,
You didn't ride in unit 53,
Ho, sir. I took unit 15 and followed the wagon
to Pinebush Substation.
And when he got to Pinebush Substation, what
happened?
He was taken out and placed in the Booking Room,
Who did that?
Myself and I think the wagon driver.
Aod wheo for dhs first time after you arrived at
Pinebush did you loge sight of him?
I don't recall losing sight of Mr. Spearman until
Il placed him in the cell.
And what time of aight would that be?
I don't recall. I don't know, 20 minutes after we
finished or, you know, when we finished the booking).
He was placed right inte his cell.
Well, can you iodicate approximately? Did the
booking take an hour or what?
Approximately probably an hour @od a half, an hour
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forty-five minutes; I don't recall,
And at any time after you errived there, did Mr.
Spearman make a telephone call, to your knowledge,
while he was in your presence?
Not while he was in mine, sir. He wouldn't talk to
anybody.
He didn't even ask to call anyone?
He did not say a word except, "Am I under arrest,”
down at the parking lot and that was his only
words.
O.K.
That I can recall in my presence.
MR. KUNSTLER: All right. Thank you.
I have no further questions.
THE COURT: You may examine.
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OLIVER;
Officer DePaulo, I would like to ask you if while
you were at the Pinebush Station you received a
phone call from Officer Lascoe.
I received a phone call?
Did you?
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anybody.
So at any time while you were at the Pinebush
Station efter you arrested Mr. Spearman, did you
receive a phone call from any SUNY police?
Not that I recall. No, sir,
I want to show you People’s Exhibit 7 and I want
to ask you how many grains are there in these
shells, each one of them?
MR. KATZER: Objection.
THE COURT: Sustained,
MR. OLIVER: It's been testified to.
THE COURT: How many what?
MR, OLIVER: Grains.
THE COURT: Graine.
MR. OLIVER: Grains.
THE COURT: Sustained.
OLIVER :
Let me ask you this: do you know how gany grains
are in each of these shells?
MR. KATZER: Objection.
THE COURT: Sustained,
OLIVER :
To your knowledge, did any other officer, while you
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Spearman, receive a phone call from Officer
Lascoe?
I don’t have any idea,
Can you tell us how much time it was that passec
between the time that you say you found the gun
and the time that you arrived at the Pinebush
Police Station?
Possibly a half an hour, 45 minutes. Again, I
can't give you a time period,
What would be your best estimate of the time
between when you found the gun and the time you
arrived at the Pinebush Police Station?
MR. KATZER: Objection,
THE COURT: No. Overruled, What's
your best estimate?
THE WITNESS: Half an hour, 45
minutes approximately,
OLIVER:
During this period of time, were various calls being
made over the police radio concerning this arrest
to and from the dispatcher and so forth?
I don't recall. Once you axe involved in an ecieete
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Q QO.K. And to your knowledge, are calls of that
Q Now, before you searched the vehicle, you indicaced
sir, your car is eliminated from receiving any
calle.
Well, did you call the paddy wagon?
I don’t recall whether I was the officer who asked
for unit 53 or whether it was Officer Igoe.
Q And that call would go over the police radio,
would it net?
nature made over the police radio, is a record
of them made in the police department? Are they
recorded by the police department?
MR. KATZER: Objection,
THE COURT: Sustained. Sustained.
BY MA. OLIVER:
that you had a discussion with Sergeant Kosakowski;
is that correct?
Before I searched the vehicle?
Yes. You spoke with --
No. I don't recall talking to Lieutenant Kosakowski
at all before I started the search of the vehicle,
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Did you wait till Lieutenant Kosakowski arrived
before you searched?
I wasn’t waiting for anybody.
So you didn't wait until he arrived before you
started searching the vehicle,
Not that I recall,
And did you call Lieutenant Kosakowski to get
permission or clearance to search the vehicle?
Sir, I wasn't under --
MR. KATZER: Objection.
THE COURT: Overruled,
THE WITNESS: I wasn't under any
orders to wait for anybody. It was my arrest and
I felt that I should search the vehicle.
OLIVER:
O.K. Was Detective Murray there at the time you
searched the vehicle?
While I was -- I don't know what anybody was doing
while I was searching the vehicle but Lieutenant
Murray was there when I got out of the vehicle.
Was Detective Murphy there?
Agein, I don't recall, sir. There was numerous
people there.
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Was Detective Tanchak there?
Again, I don't recall,
Did you see all these people at the scene there
in the parking lot?
MR. KATZER: Objection,
THE COURT: Sustained as to form.
OLIVER :
In the parking lot at that time.
THE COURT: What people?
OLIVER:
Did you see Detective Tanchak?
MR. KATZER;: Objection.
THE COURT: Do you recall what
police officers you saw after you got out of the
car in the parking lot that evening?
THE WITNESS: I recall seeing
Lieutenant Murray and Lieutenant Kosakowski.
I also recall a lot of uniforms and a lot of
people in civilian clothes. I didn’t observe
their faces. I don't know who they were.
OLIVER :
Do you know Detective Tanchak?
Yes, sir.
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Q How many officers were searching the vehicle?
| 4a There was myself and Lieutenant Kosakowski got
involved that I could recall,
Q May there have been other officers searching the
vehicle?
& At the time I was searching the vehicle there was
myself and then later on Lieutenant Kosakowski., I
don't recall anybody else searching the vehicle
while I was there but it's possible. I don't
recall,
Q When you entered the vehicle, were all the doors
closed or were they open?
& What I could recall, they were all closed, sir.
Q When you first entered the vehicle, was the glove
compartment opened or closed?
A I don't recall when I first opened or when I first
got into the vehicle.
Q The glove compartment could have been opened
before you entered the vehicle.
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A It's possible. I don't recall.
Q Now, when Mr, Spearman was taken out of the vehicle,
was the engine running?
a The lights were on, sir, I don’t recall whether
i the motor was runoing but the lights were on and
the keys were in the ignition. I don't recall
listening for the engine.
a Q Let's see. On December 30, do you recall being
asked the following questions, giving the following
answers, page 34 and 35:
"Q When he left his vehicle, was the
vehicle then empty?
A Meaning -- I don't understand
the question.
q Any other passengers?
A No, sir.
Q O.K, And was the motor running
or off to his vehicle?
A To the best of my recollection,
the vehicle was still running
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Very possibly, sir.
THE COURT: Were you asked those
questions? Did you make those answers at thet
time?
THE WITNESS: Yes, sir.
OLIVER:
At any time when you stopped Mr, Spearman, did you
direct him to turn the engine off?
No, sir.
You didn't,
No, sir,
At any time did you direct him not to move?
No, sir.
You didn't. Now, after the search of the vehicle
that you, Lieutenant Kosakowski and possibly some
others conducted --
MR. KATZER: Objection.
THE COURT: I haven't heard the
question yet.
OLIVER:
After that search, was there any other search of the
vehicle in the parking lot to your knowledge?
I couldn't tell you, sir. I wasn't there,
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Q O.K. Now, you indicated that you recovered a
briefcase; is that correct? |
| A I didn't say I recovered a briefcase. I said I
think -~ I said there was a briefcase in the
vehicle.
| Q And where was that located?
| A It was on one of the seats. I don't recall ££ it |
was on the front or the back seat.
Q Did you locate that or did some other officers
| locate it?
A Again, I don't recall. I didn't touch it, I don'd
believe I touched it, the briefcase.
Q You dida't touch the briefcase.
A Not that I recall, no, sir.
THE COURT: Did you take it {nto
| your possession?
| THE WITNESS: Wo, sir.
BY MR. OLIVER:
Q Some other officers took, located that?
A Again, I don't recall, you know, who put their
hands on it, if anyone.
Q Did Lieutenant Kosakowski take it?
MA. KATZER: Objection.
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THE COURT: Sustained.
OLIVER:
Did you see Lieutenant Kosakowski with that brief-
case in his hand?
MR. KATZER: Objection.
THE COURT: Sustained.
OLIVER :
Who did you see with that briefcase?
MR. KATZER: Objection.
THE COURT: Sustained.
OLIVER :
Did you see any police officers with that brief-
case?
MR. KATZER: Objection.
THE COURT: Sustained,
OLIVER:
Where was the briefcase when you first saw it?
MR. KATZER: Objection.
THE COURT: No, overruled,
THE WITNESS: It was on one of the
seats, sir. I really don't recall whether it was
the front or the back seat but it was on one of the
seats.
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BY MR. OLIVER:
Q O.K. Where was the briefcase the next time you saw
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MR. KATZEK: Objection.
THE COURT: Sustained,
| MR. OLIVER: Permit that, Judge:
THE COURT: I don't see any
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who was in the car, Judge.
| THE COURT: Pardon?
: MR. OLIVER: I want to fine out
| who was in the car.
THE COURT: Who was in what cari
| MR. OLIVEK: Who got the briefcase;
who else was in the car.
THE COURT: As I understand it, you
saw a briefcase in the vehicle while you were doing
your search. You didn't take it into your possession
at any time that evening; is that correct? |
“THE WITNESS: I did not touch the
briefcase at all, your Honor.
- MR. OLIVER: I'm asking him who he
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‘gaw with the briefcase in his hand.
THE COURT: When?
MR, OLIVER: The next time he saw
it after he saw it.
THE COURT: Well, if he saw it
14 days later, how is it material?
MR. OLIVER: Well, all right. O.K.
Within a half hour of the time that Mr, Spearman
was arrested, did you see any police officer with
that briefcase in his possession?
I did not see that briefcase in anyone's hand.
The last time I seen -- the first time I seen that
briefcase was lying on a seat of the vehicle anc
then I was called; 53 was there. I transported
the prisoner and whoever was there watching that
vehicle -- I went to Pinebush Substation with my
prisoner.
So you didn't see the briefcase in any officer's
possession at the scene that night.
MR. KATZER: Objection.
THE COURT: Answer the question.
Did you see anybody with the briefcase in their
possession at the parking lot area that evening?
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THE WITNESS: Not in anyone's
possession, no, sir.
THE COURT; It was lying on the
seat.
THE WITNESS: It was on the seat.
THE COURT: That's the time you saw
it. OK.
BY MR, OLIVER:
Q And how big was this briefcase?
Mk. KATZEK: Objection.
THE COUKT: Sustainec.
BY MR. OLIVER:
Q To your knowledge, dic anyone search the briefcase
to see if it contained another weapon?
MR. KATZER; Objection.
THE COURT: Sustainec.
MR. OLIVER: Well, Judge, can we
have the size of the briefcase in the record?
THE COURT: Please. That means
move into another area of cross-examination,
BY MR, OLIVER:
Q Now, when you searched the vehicle, air, did you
find any literature regarding the rugby game?
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No, six, I did not.
MR. OLIVER: May I have a moment to
consult with my colleague?
(Discussion held off the record.)
MR, OLIVER: I have no further ques4
tions.
THE COURT: Anything further of
thie witness, Mr, Katzer?
MR. KATZER: No, Judge.
THE COURT: Mr. Kunstler?
MR. KUNSTLER: I just have one
question, Judge.
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KUNSTLER :
MR, KUNSTLER: May I have this
marked D for identification?
(A report was marked Defendant
Spearman's Exhibit D for identification.)
Now, my colleague asked you some questions about
relative to taking Mr. Spearman to the Pinebush,
Do you remember that, the general subject of taking
Mr. Spearman?
Transporting him to Pinebush?
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show you what's marked D, D for identification?
I don’t recall, sir, whether it was done that night,
or the next day in Police Court.
Well, that’s sworn to you by you, isn't it?
Yes, sir. It has my signature on it.
Also states sworn to, does it not?
Yes, sir,
And what color did you say the Mercury was?
It was a gray or a silver.
You did look at your affidavit.
Color green,
MR. KUNSTLER: Green. No further
questions.
THE COURT: Anything further, Mr.
Oliver?
MR. OLIVER: Can I have just a
moment to consult with my colleague?
THE COURT: No. Do you have any
further questions based on his cross-examination’
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THE COURT: Anything further, Mr,
Katzer?
MR. KATZER: No, Judge. Thank you.
THE COURT: That's all. Thank you.
All right. Take a short recess.
(Recess taken.)
(After the recess, the following
transpired: )
THE COURT: Mr. Kunstler, Mr. Oliver,
Mr, Katzer, do you want to approach the bench, please?
(Discussion held at the bench off
the record, )
THE COURT: Bring the jury down,
please.
(The jury was brought down.)
THE COURT: Let the record indicate
the presence of the defendants, their respective counsel.
The People are represented by Mr. Katzer. Let the record
further indicate the presence of the 14 sworn jurors.
Call your next witness, please.
MR. KATZER: Thank you, Judge. The
People call Mr. G. Jack Reynders.
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having first been duly sworn, was examined and testified
as follows:
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR, KATZER:
Q For the record, Mr. Reynders, please state your
| name,
a Gilbert J. Reynders,
Q Aod what is your occupation?
& Catering manager, Best Western Thruway House,
Washington Avenue. b
Q And that's located across from SUNY, Albany; is
that correct?
A Yes, it is.
Q Were you so employed in September of 19817
A I was,
Q During the year 1981, did you have occasion to
book certain rooms at your hotel for the Springboks
rugby team from South Africa?
A Yes, sir.
Q Specifically, when did the Springboks rugby team
etay at your hotel?
4 They checked in on Sunday evening, September 20 and
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checked out the afternoon of Tuesday, September 22,
So they would be there the evening of September 21,
1981; i@ thet correct?
Yes, sir.
MR. KATZER: Thank you, Mr. Reynders,
That's all.
THE COURT: Mr. Kunstler, any
questions?
MR. KUNSTLER: Just a word or two,
Judge.
CROSS ~ EXAMINATION
Mr. Reynders, my name is William Kunstler, I'm an
attorney for Mr. Spearman, who's over here. You and
I have never talked, have we?
No, sir.
Now, while they were, the Springboks were at the
motel, were there any demonstrations around the
motel?
MR, KATZER: Objection,
THE WITNESS: Wo, sir.
THE COURT: Overruled.
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Did you see people there who were protesting in any
way?
No, sir,
And you say they checked out on the afternoon of
the 22nd.
Yes, sir.
And ihow many were there? How many Springboks were
there?
Thirty-two; the team, assistants, doctors, et cetera
a total of thirty-two people.
And at any time while they were in the hotel, did
you have any conversation with law enforcement
people, State Police or anybody about them in any
way, shape or form?
No, sir,
MR. KUNSTLER: 0O.K. I have nothing
further.
Thank you, Mr. Reynders.
THE COURT: Do you have any ques-
tions of this witness, Mr. Oliver?
MR. OLIVER: No, your Honor,
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MR. KATZER; No.
THE COURT: That's all. Thank you,
MR, KATZER: Thank you, Mr. Reynders.,
THE COURT: Call your next witness, |
MR, KATZEK: The People call
Eugene Kendrick,
EUGENE KENDRICK,
having first been duly sworn, was examined and testified
as follows:
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. KATZER:
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For the record, Mr. Kendrick, state your name.
Eugene Kendrick.
And what is your occupation?
News photographer.
And by whom are you employed as a news photographer?
WNYT, TV.
That's known as Channel 13.
Channel 13. That's correct.
Were you so employed as a news photographer for
Channel 13 on September 21, 1981?
Yea, I was.
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What was your assignment in the mid-afternoon of
that day? Do you recall?
The Federal Courthouse.
And what were you covering at that particular time?
The Court ruling on the proposed rugby match.
Now, Mr. Kendrick, are you here pursuant to 4
subpoena duces tecum?
Yes, I am.
And were you requested to bring with you an
individual videotape of a certain interview with
the defendant Michael Young which occurred on
September 21, 1981, and which is recorded on
tape number 649 Channel 13 and located on that
tape at slug number 159?
Yes.
Do you have that tape with you?
(Indicating.)
‘MR, KATZER: I would like this
marked as People's 8 for identification,
(A videotape was marked People's
Exhibit 8 for identification, )
KATZER:
Now, Mr. Kendrick, did you, in fact, photograph
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