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DENISE STANGLE, C.S.R.
and Official Albany County
Court Reporter.
Transcript of proceedings held
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.s County Courthouse, Albany, New York, commencing on
March 2, 1982.
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MR. KATZER: Thank you, Judge.
The People call Officer Michael Lascoe.
MICHAEL LASCOE,
| beving first been duly sworn, was examined and testified
i as follows:
DIRECT NATION
| BY MR. KATZER:
i Q Officer Lascoe, for the record please state your
name.
| A My name is Michael A, Lascoe.
€ Q By whom are you employed?
~ A State University of New York.
Q And in what capacity are you so employed?
a Campus Public Safety Officer.
=f Q Were you so employed on September 21, 19817
A Yes, I was,
Q And how long have you been employed as @ Public
Safety Officer for the State University of New
York at Albany?
A At Albany approximately just short of four years;
for the State of New York, short of ten years,
Q And what were you doing before you were a Public
c Safety Officer for SUNY at Albany?
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Before I was Public Safety Officer at SUNY at
Albany, I was Public Safety Officer at SUNY at
New Paltz.
Now, in your capacity as Public Safety Officer
at SUNY, Albany, have you had occasion to become
familiar with the geographical layout of the
State University of New York at Albany campus and
the surroundiog area?
Yes, I have.
MR. KATZER: I would like this
marked as People's 1 for identification.
(A chart was marked People's Exhibit
lL for identification.)
BY MR, KATZER;
Officer Lascoe, I am going to show you what's been
marked as People's 1 for identification and ask
you if you can identify chac.
Yes. Thies is a map of the State University campus
at Albany.
And does that map fairly and accurately portray
the layout of the SUNY campus as it existed on
September 21, 19817
Yes, it does.
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Q And does it fairly and accurately portray the layout
of the SUNY campus in relation to the surrounding
area within the City of Albany?
A Yes, it does.
MR, KATZER:
People's 1 into evidence.
MR. KUNSTLER;
THE COURT: A
MR. OLIVER: Just take a look at it.
No objection,
At this time, I offer
No objection,
ny objection?
THE COURT: Received without
objection.
(People's Exhibit 1 for identification
was received and marked in evidence.)
BY MR. KATZER:
Q Now, Officer Lascoe, I'm going to ask you tf you
could just display that to the jury. You can do
it while you are sitting there, and if you could
just briefly describe for them what is exhibited
on that map.
A This is a basic layout of the campus at Albany.
These are the towers of the main dormitory quads.
This is the State quad and dormitories that are
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surrounding it, Stete quad dorm. And this fe the
State quad parking lot.
You indicated the State quad parking lot. If you
could, could you mark that with an K and Magic
Marker?
Done (indicating).
Mow, there are certain roads leading into or around
and leading from the State quad parking lot; is that
correct?
That's correct.
Could you please tell the jury what those roads
are?
We have what is termed the perimeter road on the
campus which fs this road; runs around the perimeter
of the campus, And this is an entrance into the
parking lot and there @re a couple other entrances
such as bere and here (indicating). This is an
access road that leeds from Washington Avenue onto
the perimeter road and from this entrance, this
access road, you can enter straight acroas into the
parking lot.
Bow, could you just show the jury where Washington
@venue is on that map once again?
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This is Washington Avenue right here.
And @re you familiar with the building known as
the Thruway Hotel?
Yes, I am,
And where is that located as it would appear on
thet map?
It would be located directly opposite thie inter-
section.
O.K. Would you mark with an H where the hotel!
would be?
Done (indicating).
MR. KATZER: Thank you. Wow, I am
going to have this marked as People's 2 for iden-
tification.
(A photograph was marked People's
Exhibit 2 for identification, )
BY MR, KATZER:
Q
Showing you People’s 2 for identification, Officer,
please identify that,1f you can,
It's an aerial view of State quad parking lot,
the Hyatt House, Hyatt Thruway House, Hellman
Theatre, State Police Academy.
And does that fairly and accurately portray the
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location of the State quad parking lot vis-a-vis
the Hyatt House and the other geographical lanc-
marks around the campus?
Yes, it does.
MR, KATZER; At this time I offer
People's 2 in evidence,
MR. KUNSTLER: No objection,
Mi. OLIVEK: No objection,
THE COURT: Received without
objection.
(People's Exhibit 2 for identifica-
tion was received and marked in evidence.)
BY MR. KATZER:
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Mow, Officer, for the benefit of the jury, if you
could just for a moment describe for them what you
previously identified as the State quad parking
let and the Hyatt House.
O.K. This is the State quad parking lot. This is
the access road that leads from Washington Avenue
te the perimeter road and into the State quad
parking lot.
Where is the Hyatt House located?
This ie the Hyatt House up here.
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MR. KATZER: O.K. Thank you.
(Two maps were marked respectively
People's Exhibits 3 and 4 for identification.)
BY MR. KATZER;:
Q
Officer, I am going to show you what's been marked
as People's 3 and 4 for identification. Have you
had an opportunity to review these prior to testi-
fying in Court?
Yes, I have.
Let me just ask you to look at it right aow for a4
moment until they are in evidence. What does
People's 3 and 4 portray or can you identify what
is portrayed in People's 3 and 4?
It’s a utility type map of the State quad parking
lot and the area.
And what would it indicate?
Indicates basically location of islands and of
lighting fixtures.
And do those maps fairly and accurately portray
the layout of the State quad parking lot 4s it
existed on September 21, ‘81?
Yee, it does.
MR. KATZER: I offer People's 3 and 4
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iato evidence.
MR, KUNSTLER: No objection,
MR, KATZER: Officer, People's 3 and
4 are identical; is that correct?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
MR. OLIVER: No objection.
THE COURT: Received without
objection.
(People's Exhibits 3 and 4 for iden-
tification were received and marked in evidence.)
MR. KATZER: with the Court's
permission, I would request that the Officer be
able to point out to the jury what actually is
portrayed on this map.
THE COURT: Very well.
BY MR. KATZER:
Officer Lascoe, 1f you would, could you come to
this easel and describe for the members of the
jury what is depicted on this map?
This is the parking lot. This is the parking lot
and thie is the individual lanes where the cars
perk, This is the perimeter road. Thie is the
access road that leads to Washington Avenue and the
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lanes, These lines are just -- just connect,
straight line connecting where the lights are.
There is no island bere. The cars pull in and are
supposed to park perpendicular to these lines,
Q And there are certain square markings on this map,
What do they indicate?
A The square markings are light poles and the numbers
attached to them, $7D8, S77, et ceters, are the
deaignation of light polee. They are marked on
the light poles so that if a light is out or
whatever we can report it by just giving them the
number so they can fix it,
Q Now, Officer, if you would, by teking a look at
People's 2 in evidence and the map which is People's
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Hyatt House, Thruway House would be right above |
there (indicating).
Q Now, Officer Lascoe, there are certain lines de-
picted on this map. Could you be more specific
and tell the jury whet they are? |
A This would be an {sland. This would also be ear
: island and this would be an island.
” q When you say an island, what do you mean?
A It's a concrete island used to separate the perking
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3 in evidence, could you show the jury how they
coincide? |
O.K. This {8 the parking lot and this {fs the
coinciding part of the parking lot at about this
point here. This is the access road. This is the
access road on this map (indicating).
Where would the Thruway House be?
The Thruway House would be up in this general area
up here as is depicted here,
O.K, Thank you. You can take your seat on the
witness stand for a few more moments, Officer.
I will have you back down here again.
O.K.
Now, Officer, I am going to call your attention to
September 21, 1981. Were you on duty thet perticular
day?
Yes, I was,
What time did you go on duty?
Three p.m.
And were you still on duty at 7 p.m. in the
evening?
Yes, I was,
I'm going to call your attention to approalmately y
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7 p.m. on the evening of September 21 and ask you
to tell the jury where you were and what you were
doing.
A At 7 p.m., I was patrolling the State quad parking
lot, the one depicted on the map. I was SF OwSs FENG |
| in @ northerly direction on the west side of the
parking lot. I entered the second to last lane,
which is the lane before, before the island et the
top of the marks,
Q I think rather than you repeating your testiacny,
f with the Court's permission, it might be better if
you can show the jury and if you can mark your
location on the map as you are testifying with a
green marker. Why don't you describe for the jury
your location at 7 p.m. on September 21?
r O.K. This is a traffic lane on the west side of
| the parking lot and I was travelling north
(indicating), up this lane and then I entered
into this parking lane here. I was travelling
down this lane, At that time I noticed a gray
Mercury enter the parking lane into the parking lot.)
M4 Would you denote that with another color so every-
ie thing is --
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The vehicle entered the parking lot and got to
approximately this point here, I would say, and
I was a Little bit further up. I was a little
bit further up. I was probably within about 15
to 20 feet of the vehicle and the Mercury turned
(indicating) abruptly and began to leave the
parking Lot.
And in which way did the vehicle, the Mercury,
leave the parking lot?
It left the way it entered and on the access road
atraight up and then turned right east onto
Washington Avenue.
O.K. Thank you. With that in mind, Officer,
let's look at the details a little bit more,
of that testimony. First of all, would you
describe the lighting conditions for the jury
ae it existed at approximately 7 p.m. that
evening?
Clear and no problem seeing whatsoever.
What about artificial lighting? Were these lights
on as depicted on the map?
Yes. They go on at approximately 7 o'clock,
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The defendant in the blue sweater.
MR, KUNSTLER: We'll stipulate,
Judge.
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And what position was he occupying in the car?
Driver.
Now, looking in the courtroos here today, do you
see the occupant, the other occupant of the car
in the courtroom here today?
I can't be certain but it appears to be Mr. Young.
But you are not certain,
I"m not certain on that.
All right. Fine. Now, you indicated that there
came @ time when the Mercury turned around and
left the parking lot; is that correct?
That's correct,
When the Mercury did that, what, if anything, did
you observe?
I observed that the vehicle did not bear one of
the University decals which ell members of the
college community must have on thelr vehicles
affixed to the left rear bumper of the vehicle.
And upon making that observation, what did you do?
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A I called my diepatcher and had them run @ check on
the plate,
Q What exactly did you request your dispatcher to do
when you say run a check on the plate? Tell the
jury what that is.
A I had the dispatcher put on the computer, the New
York State computer, the license plate 507JvD and
what I requested was to know whether there wag any
stolen information on the vehicle; also the make,
the model and -- the make and the color of the
vehicle and the year of the vehicle.
Q Now, the time that you Fequested that information,
approximately where were you in the paxking lot?
A Thet was at the point where the vehicle had already
turned and we were proceeding -- they were proceeding
out of the parking lot onto the access road and j
was following them.
Q Did there come a time when you ©ecelved an initial
diepatch from your dispatcher {po response to your
request?
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Q And what was the substance of that dispatch?
A The substance of that dispatch was that the vehicle
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was registered to a Mr. Young with his address and
that it was on a -- should have been on @ gray
Mercury, which it was on,
Now, where were you when you received that infor-
mation?
We were just turning onto Washington Avenue,
And were you following the Mercury/
Yes, I was.
Now, after you received that information, what did
the Mercury do?
The Mercury proceeded just for a short while on
Washington Avenue and entered the State Office
Building campus.
That would be in this direction; is thet correct?
That's correct.
What did you do upon receiving that first dispatch
and learning that the car did, in fact, check out
with the plate?
Since the car did check out with the plate, I just
continued on Washington Avenue with the intent of
turning around further down to return to the campus.
You didn't continue te follow the Mercury, did you?
Ho, I did not.
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Did there come a time when you received a second
dispatch from your dispatcher?
Yes. Approximately 15 seconds to 30 seconds later,
I received a dispatch that the vehicle was reportedly
@ stolen vehicle.
And at the time that you received this second dis-
patch, where were you?
I was past the State Office Building entrance
further down on Washington Avenue.
Were you following the Mercury at this time?
No, It had already gone on to the State Office
Building campus.
Now, upon receipt of the second dispatch that the
c@r was reported stolen, what did you then doi
I immediately turned my vehicle around on
Washington Avenue and headed back in the direction
of the campus, in the direction of the Hellman
Theatre and the Thruway House,
What happened then?
I observed an Albany Police Department unit in
front of me. It was @ sergeant’s unit. I pulled
him over into the area of the Hellman Theatre
which is adjacent to the Thruway House and I reported
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to him what I had observed and the fact that it was
@ stolen vehicle.
Q Specifically what did you tell this Albany Police
| sergeant?
| A I told him that I observed a vehicle, a Mercury
| bearing 507JVD in the State quad parking lot. I
, had followed it out onto Washington Avenue and
a that after it had entered the State Office Building
campus, I received the dispatch that it was a
reportedly stolen vehicle,
{ Q Did you tell the Albany Police sergeant that the
. car was registered to one Michael Young?
a No, I did not. I just told him that it was report-
edly a stolen vehicle.
ae Q Now, what did the Albany Police sergeant do? That
would be Sergeant Epting, by the way, wouldn't it?
A That's correct. That was Sergeant Epting.
Q What did Sergeant Epting do with this information?
A He relayed it via his police radio to his units in
| the area,
| Q And were you present when he did that?
| A Yee, I was.
ns Q Aad how did he do that?
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Via police radio,
Now, what did you do then?
I returned to the campus to contiaoue patrol and in
hopes of maybe spotting the vehicle again.
Now, I'm going to call your attention, Officar, to
approximately 7:30 p.m., about @ half hour after
the events that we are just speaking of. Did you
have occasion again to be in the State quad mrking
lot at approximately 7:30?
Yes, I did.
And if you would and with the Court's permission
once again, would you eome up here and show the
jury where you were in the State quad parking lot
at 7:30? You can use a pen this time, blue ink,
for 7:30.
Il was positioned approximately here (indicating).
Draw that a little bigger. Can you merk an L
for Lascoe?
O.K. And there wes another Albany Police unit next
to mine here.
Do you know who was in that Albany Police unitl
That wae Officer Igoe.
Why don't you maxk that with an 1?
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A And there were two parked vehicles here. This
vehicle had a temporary Pennsylvania registretion
on it that wae expired and Officer Igoe was checking
it out and I noticed that he was checking, So I
came over to see if I could assist him in any way,
Q O.K. Now, Officer Lascoe, you indicated chat there
were two cars parked perpendicular to thi: cement
island; is that correct?
A That's correct,
Q At 7:30, were there any other cars, to the best of
your recollection, occupying the parking positions
ox anywhere in the lane indicated by thie parking
lane?
A No, not to my recollection, I don't recall aay
vehicles in the immediate area.
O.K. Now, you were in a vehicle; is that correct?
That's correct,
What kind of vehicle were you in?
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When you say marked, tell the jurors what 4 marked
police SUNY wehicle is,
A It's a two-tone tan vehicle with a red light bar
on top, spotlight, State of New York, Department of |
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Public Safety in a seal on the side of the vehicle.
Q And was the spotlight on top operating at the time
or was it off?
| A The spotlight fs located on the side of the
| vehicle. It was off at the time.
: Q What about the lights on the roof? Are there lighte
: on the roof?
~ | A Yes, there are.
| Q And were they operating at the time or were the,
| off?
i | A They were off at the time.
™ Q And what about Officer Igoe's car? What kind of
vehicle was he in?
| 4 He was in a marked Albany Police Department unit,
ie which is a black unit with the Albany seal on tie
| side and two red lights, one.on either side on the
roof,
| Q Mow, Officer Lascoe, if you can, can you estimate
the distance between your police vehicle and the
cement island as it existed on September 21, 19817
& Approximately 20 feet.
Q Aod were there any other cars between your police
@ vehicle and the cement island?
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Anc there was a clear path of movement in this
parking lane; is that correct?
O.K. You cao resume your witness stand. Thenk
Now, Officer Lascoe, you testified that at 7:3.
approximately you were in this westerly positio.
in the parking lot with Officer William Igoc
of the Albany Police Department. Had there bees
@nother Albany Police Officer at this location?
Yes. A few minutes after I showed up, Officer
DePaulo in Albany Police Department unit 15 showed
up @t that location. He wanted to see if he could
find out any further information on the description
of the vehicle that I had spotted earlier.
And what did Officer DePaulo then do?
After he got the information, he confirmed it
with me. He turned to leave the area where we
were. I did aot see exactly where he went,
Q.K. So in the west end of the lot, in any event,
is yourself and Officer Igoe in marked police
vehicles; is that correct?
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That's correct.
And you were checking out @ parked vehicle,
correct?
That is correct.
Did there come @ time when you saw or heard some-
thing which caused you to leave that location?
Yes, there did.
Could you please tell the Court and the jury
what happened?
A few minutes after Officer DePaulo left our
location, 1 heard him over the radio and verbally
calling for assistance. He was approximately
one-half to three-quarters of the way down that
eame traffic lane and he had the gray Mercury
atopped,
Would that be in this area?
Yea, it would.
Over here. Is it fair to say it's in the vicinity
of the traffic light?
In the vicinity of that center light pole, yes.
And you indicated that he had the Mercury stopped.
Firet of all, describe the Mercury that we are
talking about.
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It was the same one I had seen earlier, the gra,
Mercury with the New York place 507JVb.
And in what position or how did he have this
Mercury stopped?
The vehicle, the Mercury was facing towards the
access road in that general direction end Officer
DePaulo's car was facing towards the Mercury.
Now, upon responding to Officer LePaulo's request
for assistance and going to the scene, whet dic
you then do?
Officer Igoe and myself were not in our vehicles
at the time. We got into our vehicles. I myself
io the University police unit responded over to
where Officer DePaulo was. I positioned my vehicle
on the right rear side of it; in other words, the
passenger's side of the gray Mercury.
Did you get out of your police vehicle?
Yes, I did.
What did you then do?
I got out of my police vehicle and since Officer
DePaulo had his weapon drawn, I drew my weapon
and I covered the occupant of the vehicle from the
passenger's side of the vehicle.
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Q Mow, were you able to look into the vehicle as
you covered him, as you just testified?
& Yes, I waa,
Q Now, through what window did you look into the
| vehicle?
A I positioned myself on the passenger's side so
I could look both partially through the front
passenger's side window and the rear passenger's
side partly because I wanted to make sure there
| was no one in the back seat either lying down or
| whatever in the back seat and I had a partial view
| of the front,
Q Now, who else was there or in the nearest vicinity
i of the Mercury and Officer DePaulo's vehicle?
} A The only other people in the vicinity were Officer
Igoe and Officer DePaulo of the Albany Police
Department.
Q Where was Officer Igoe standing?
A Officer Igoe was standing directly perpendicular
to the driver's door,
Q And Officer DePaule was in front of the driver's
door.
a He was slightly in front of the driver's door.
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Q O.K. Mow, let's concern ourselves with what you
saw whee you looked into the Mercury. How many
occupants did you see in the Mercury?
A There was one occupant in the Mercury in the
driver's seat.
Q And who was that occupant?
A The defendant Mr. Spearman,
Q And that would be the same individual who you
g@aw driving the car at 7 p.m.; is thet correct?
a Yes.
Q Now, tell the Court and jury what observations
you made of the defendant Spearman as you looked
into the car at approximately 7:30 p.m.
A I could see -~ from what I could see, 1 could just
barely see his left hand and it appeared to be on
the steering wheel. His right hand I could not see
at all and it wasn't in the vicinity of the steering
wheel as far as I could tell. Officer Igoe and
Officer DePaulo both, on several occasions, asked
Mx, Spearman to step out of the vehicle and he did
mot move in that direction. I did note that on two
distinct occasions Mr. Spearman's right shoulder
went towards the passenger's side, did lean, dip in
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two distinct motions towards the passenger's side
ef the vehicle.
Now, while this was going on, while you made this
observation, Officers DePaulo and Igoe were on the
ecene; is that correct?
Thet is correct.
And they were making certain directions or commands
at the defendant; ie thet correct?
That is correct,
Now, did there come a time when the defendant
Spearman was, in fact, taken out of the Mercury?
Yee. Yes, he wae taken out of the vehicle.
And do you recall who did that?
I'm not sure whether it was Officer DePaulo or
Igoe, I'm not sure which.
And do you recall what happened to the defendant
Spearman after he was taken out of the Mercury?
Yes. He was removed from the Mercury and placed
in the rear passenger's seat of the Albany Police
unit number 15,
He was taken from his vehicle, the Mercury, to an
Albany Police vehicle; is that correct?
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Yow, who did that? Who took him from the Mercury
to the Albany Police car?
Officer DePaulo placed him in the Albany Police
unit.
O.K. Now, where were you when Officer LePaulo
was doing that?
While he and Officer Igoe were taking him over to
the police unit, I stood by the Mercury.
Did there come a time when Officer DePaulo returoed
to the Mercury?
Yes, after Mr. Spearman was placed in the vebicle.
The police vehicle; is that correct?
Yes. Right.
Aad when Officer DePaulo returned to the Mercury,
what did he do?
He waited for his supervisor, Lieutenant Kosekowski,
to arrive.
And then what happened?
Then they initiated a search of the interior of the
vehicle.
Wow, about how long a time period lapsed between
the time the defendant Spearman wae taken from his
vehicle, put in the police vehicle and the police,
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the Albany police, initiated the search of the
Mercury?
A Approximately five ainutes.
Q How, dur ing that time period, where were you?
A During the period of the search, I was standing at
the rear of the Mercury talking with some of my
fellow officers from my department who had shown up
on the scene.
Q During the time period before the search, the five
minutes between the time thet Spearman was taken
from his vehicle, put in an Albany Police vehicle
and the Albany Police Officers searched the vehicle,
where were you during that time?
& I was next to the Mercury securing the scene,
making sure that no one went into the vehicle.
Q Now, during that time period, did anybody enter the
vehicle?
A No.
Q la Officer Lascoe, prior to September 21, 1981,
at approximately 7 p.m., had you ever heard of
: Michael Young?
A Ho.
“ "a Hed you ever heard of John Spearman?
Lascoe « for the People - Direct, Cross
r Ro.
Q Had you ever been advised by your superiors or by
anybody elee about Michael Young’
a Ho.
Q The same thing about John Spearman?
& No.
Q Did you know about an automobile License plate
507JVD?
A No, I did not.
> MR. KATZER: Thank you, Officer.
I have nothing further.
CROSS -EXAMINATION
BY Mk. KUNSTLER:
q Officer Lascoe, my name is William Kunstler. We've
met before briefly, did we not?
A Yes, we did.
Q And with reference to that particular night, that
is September 21, Mineteen Hundred and bighty-one,
as you've testified, you've indicated, I think,
that the lighting conditions in the parking lot were
good, you could see clearly; is that correct?
Yes,
.
& Now, 1 want to ask you just a few questions before
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