Good evening ladies and gentlemen. I am Joseph Corzen and I am officer. I am an officer of IUE Local 301.
I am an employee of General Electric with 17-year service.
Week after week, General Electric and other organizations have been impressing upon us and the community to dire results of our members that is some 3000 of our nearly 9000 members.
Refused to meekly accept GE's generously offered pay cut. One organization has taken huge advertisements telling us all how some 5000 GE jobs could be saved if we knuckle down.
We wonder and we think the community should also wonder where this organization has been during the past 10 years.
In that period GE has discontinued to use a polite term some 20,000 men and women from employment here in Scenecting.
That average is out to 2,000 people a year and only giving every one of them a low weekly wage of 75 dollars.
That total is nearly 8 million dollars a year for 10 years. How is that for supporting Scenecting?
80 million dollars at least has been siphoned off the economy of our community. That represents an awful lot of prosperity we think.
And it also represents a curious approach to maintaining the welfare of a community.
We wonder how come GE is so clever at coining slogans but evidently not quite as clever at solving problems.
We wonder why it is always the worker who must make the downward adjustment to GE's unusual method of management.
We wonder how many people in our community and the area in general have considered the actual cost to workers now being asked to make the financial sacrifice for the good of our community.
Who has thought of the lowered pension upwards of $66 a month would result from the lowered wage.
Who has thought of the lower life insurance at retirement as much as $12,000 yearly that would result from the lowered wage.
Who has thought of that hidden savings amounting to a huge sum GE would make in these areas because of the lowered wage workers will earn for their effort.
Is this the way to make Scenectity or any other community competitive?
And incidentally, how do you make a community competitive?
Right now our city is a one employer captive. With whom do we compete? With whom will GE compete?
They haven't also announced planned price cuts in the wake of their planned wage cuts. So where is the competitiveness so glibly talked about?
Local 301 officers have continued trying to find common ground upon which to discuss this matter with GE management, both locally and nationally.
We believed we signed a binding contract last September. Now all of a sudden GE says they will change the terms of that contract.
There is a difference between negotiating and dictating. We believe we are now being dictated to them.
We also believe the community and that again includes us as being dictated to them.
We didn't announce all the maiden day. Our term for July 13th which is next Monday. And is the day GE said it would impose its harsh wage cut.
We believe there is still an area within which we and GE management can come to an agreement.
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Yesterday we announced that we would have a guest today
to continue our discussion of yesterday and answer your questions about it
and we have.
Before we introduce him, we would like to put down just a couple of round rules
for today's program, something we don't often do, but we should today.
This program is being put together and tomorrow's will, too,
more about that later, not for your opinions as yesterday's was,
but for your questions.
You will have opportunities in the future, too, to express your opinions.
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we are going to talk about and therefore we want you to ask questions
and may I respectfully add short succinct questions.
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Now, if you are ready, I would like to introduce our guest, Mr. H.J. Parker,
manager relations and utilities of General Electric, Mr. Parker,
has been leading the negotiating team for the company
and the conferences that they have been having with the I.U.E.
over the day productivity problem.
Mr. Parker, perhaps you could start us off with a short statement
of where we stand right now in negotiations
and perhaps touch on the latest company offer
that was made this week of the $60 million investment.
Thank you.
I think it might be well to go back due to the emotion
and the fact that there has been in the press here for the last few days,
at least, and set as a backdrop our original goals in this MSC program.
A short time ago, they say a short time ago, several months ago,
was rather obvious that some of these departments had to take some action
to correct the position they were in.
They either had to correct it here or they had to do it at some other location.
We felt very much that this correction could be made in connected
and should be made in Schenectady.
We set out to save 5,000 jobs at least in this plant as our goal.
Also, one of our objectives had to be to correct pay inequities
of the peace workers and install a pay system that was fair to all employees.
On top of that, we realized that to make this plant competitive
it was necessary to invest huge sums of money to replace facilities,
equipment and machinery, and to put us in the best possible condition
to compete in today's market.
So there was what we started out to do.
This is exactly what we wanted to do today.
And the focus on pay cuts and so forth is one part of this whole thing,
but it is not the major part.
We wished that it was not necessary to cut pay,
but if we are to stay here, there has got to be corrections in this area
and we've got to have a pay system where people don't just write their own checks.
All right, thank you very much, Mr. Farkin.
I'll just see what our first question is and we'll again ask our listeners,
please to make them as short as possible.
Hello, go ahead, please. We're on here.
I think it took a take on 25% of what is now a break.
That's what I just wanted to spark it.
We'll take the same cut to help out, and if you would produce just as much.
Well, I'll ask you.
Now here's the thing on the set down there.
It's supposed to be $60 million building and equipment.
So my question is to pop it, if any other company has finished with the blueprint for this new building,
and it's a file copied to the blueprint with the building expected
and the layer sounds with a construction of high-place,
and it's basically as a file pricing that's completed there,
and also I can ask them to take an exception that's been proposed
as an authorized by the General Actee Board of Directors
and those responsible for authorizing the tax consumption.
Well, let me fire all of them. Thank you for going.
All right, one more.
Yeah, we'll hurry up.
I also like to ask them that the money for the bailout
for the consumption cost has been increased for it
except that the positive account could pay for it.
That's the reason they will indicate the cost for this abuse proposal.
All right, thank you very much.
You're welcome.
I think I should have made it one question for the customer.
All right, let's start off, Ms. Parker.
Yesterday on our open discussion of this,
we had someone call and say that they took a 25% cut in wages
after the PeaceWork was shifted to day work.
This caller wants to know, number one,
is there's possible number two,
do you feel that it's equitable?
There.
This is possible under the presence,
the old PeaceWork system, or a person in order to bring their wages back in line
with what they should be, would take such a cut.
However, I'm not sure whether this 25% cut takes into consideration
the transition arrangement, which cushions it's cut,
without the complete details I can't tell.
But we have tried to be as fair as possible
and to recognize possible hardships and cushion this reduction in wages
so that the hardship would be minimized.
I think to get real good answers,
I'm going to ask real straightforward questions
and you will realize that I'm doing it to get an answer.
I'm not questioning GE's honesty at all.
Many of our callers have, as far as the $60 million.
Is this for real?
Are their blueprints drawn?
Is the money set aside to use?
People want to know this.
This questioner does.
The $60 million is for real.
We have spelled out in our offer the exact projects that will be used upon,
used for including a new 200,000 or more square foot building.
A new modernized up-to-date wire mill,
replacement of machinery, all of these things that are necessary
to make this plant competitive insofar as equipment is concerned.
This is real.
We are ready and very anxious to start it.
All right, sir.
Thank you very much.
Go ahead, please.
Parker, in order to get this figure of $3.15 per hour,
aren't you using the increased negotiated in the present contract
and also the transition payment?
And if so, doesn't this make the $3.15 average meaningless?
Now, we've already had second part.
I got the transition payment, but what was the second part?
If so, doesn't this make the $3.15 average meaningless?
Why did you get here figure from the $3.15?
You said it was there, but I didn't use what?
An increased what?
The increased negotiating in the present contract.
Okay, thank you very much.
This Parker, this lady would like to know about this $3.15 per hour
that we've heard about that will be an average wage.
She wants to know if this figure is arrived at by using the increased negotiated
in the contract and also the transition payments.
Does this go into that $3.15 per hour?
If so, she seems to think that the $3.15 figure is meaningless.
The $3.15 does include the wage increase on April the 1965
that is already in the contract, but that wage increase alone
and it would go a very short ways in terms of maintaining
an average in the plan for the next four years.
In other words, the $3.15 offer that we made at the bargaining session
on Monday was in effect a statement that we would maintain
the average in the plan of $3.15 an hour for the period of transition
which is roughly four years.
Now, this $3.15 compares to the plan average at the present time
of around $3.36.
Now, this is not the difference that you've been reading about in the paper.
I think that this is important because it might be confusing to people
that they remember that when this $3.15 figure is used by the company
or the union that it is an average figure, $3.15, that is correct.
Thank you, sir.
Good morning.
Hello.
Go ahead, please.
I'd like to ask Mr. Carp, please.
Please.
Mr. President, why would a television camera set recently up
and building 60 to watch their employees?
Second, isn't this against the law for companies to do?
Am I not questioning to this, but another way
it can make in general a trick of competitive and connected
it doesn't sound right.
All right, we'll ask them for you.
Thank you.
Back.
The whole bar today.
This lady wants to know that if recently there were television cameras
installed in a building to watch workers at work,
and what's the story on that?
Is that legal?
How about it?
I don't know the details of any specific television cameras within the plant
other than at the gates.
We have used television cameras at one of the gates for a short time,
maybe a year.
We plan also to have television cameras at other gates,
and this is a matter of economics.
It enables us to survey and watch people going and coming
and to communicate with them, actually.
As far as television cameras on the floor watching employees,
I know of none, but I know of no reason why this couldn't be done.
It has done in other places that I know of,
but in so far as it being done today,
I am not aware of any situation where it has occurred.
Thank you, sir.
Our number is expressed 31771.
If you care to ask questions, fire away.
Hello.
Go ahead.
Right, okay. Thank you.
Our number is expressed 31771.
I have a feeling our line has jammed a little bit,
but if you keep trying, things will work out.
Mr. Parker, as well as today,
we will discuss this again tomorrow,
and allow you to ask questions again.
I'm sure you want to. Hello.
Go ahead, you're on the air.
My husband works on work.
He's 54 years old.
He has 30 years soon.
I'd like to know what this is going to be in his pension
when he gets on up to take it.
He has 30 years here to stay 70 years.
37.
And what will this do to it? Is that your plan?
Yes, sir. It's going to make my cut in his pension
when he gets time with his pension homes around.
All right. We'll ask for you.
Bye.
I don't know if we can actually get to the very core
of this question, Mr. Parker.
I don't know if we have all these figures at hand.
This lady has a husband with 37 years of service with GDS.
She would like to know what this transition will do to his pension.
I presume that it must be making more than 315 hour now.
Well, our original transition package
did not include provisions for pension insurance
and other company benefits.
The offer we made Monday was an effect to include the transition pay
as wages, and it would carry all of the benefits that normally go with wages.
In other words, he would make additional contributions to the pension fund,
which in effect for every dollar he puts in,
then he will get several four five dollars back.
He gets additional insurance, and the same is you would on any salary or wage.
And it does carry all the benefits.
Now, the original one did not do that.
I see. This is something new this week.
All right. Thank you very much.
Our number is expressed 31771. Hello.
Go ahead, please.
I'll make that for Mr. Parker.
The National Contract was negotiated last month over.
Yeah.
And then six months later,
Big Game Office had just a new plan and the connectivity.
Yeah.
Well, I wasn't just...
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Just that said, that said...
Back in October, when the contract was...
Hey, hey. We'll find out for you.
Thank you for calling.
Right.
Gentlemen, we'd like your comments on this, Mr. Parker.
He tells us that the last contract was negotiated.
He said last October,
there was no mention of this program at that time.
Why did the program come along six months,
or give or take a month after the contract negotiation?
Well, actually, National Contract negotiations had little or nothing to do
with this program.
I suppose the inference is here that the National Contract bars us from doing what we are doing.
Certainly, we would not go into a program like this,
unless we were sure we were not in violation of the contract.
And as I read the local papers this morning,
I interpret the statements of a message, a chandelion chambo,
to mean that they agree that we can negotiate locally
the sort of setup that we must have in order to make this plan competitive.
So we are not in violation of the contract.
We're certain of that.
In this sense, the lawsuit that is now pending does bother us,
because actually that lawsuit is against the city of Schenectady and the people in the plant.
Because no matter how it comes out, this thing could drag along by a appeal and so forth for a long, long period.
And frankly, we don't have the a year or two to settle as matter.
The lawsuit is simply a smoke screen as far as I'm concerned
to try to prevent us from making this plan competitive.
Thank you, Mr. Parker.
This is a party line on Express 31771 we'd like your question. Hello.
Hello.
Go ahead, please.
Mr. Parker, I would like you to repeat that answer to you gave about no television in Billing 60.
I happen to work in Billing 60 and they have the television spying on the people down there.
This year's saying because you know.
That is true.
All right, thank you for calling.
Goodbye.
I won't ask you to comment on this, Mr. Parker,
because you've already made your comment.
I believe your answer about being any television sets and buildings you set to the best of your knowledge.
This was not so.
This gentleman said it the best of his knowledge.
It is so.
So we're not going to get an impasse of personalities here.
He has his knowledge.
You have yours.
And we'd have to have somebody here who knew about it, who could come in about it, obviously you can't.
Well, I, with Tom and I, my statement was, as I was not aware of any television cameras that were an operation within the plant,
but I think I should make it clear that this might be a good thing.
I had stung in other places and I see no particular harm in going to such a, to such a system that we thought it was necessary.
All right, sir.
Hello.
My question for Mr. Parker here.
My answer is that it may work in spring along.
No, would you like to?
Yes.
Yes.
Well, we're after me, just making connected to the competitive.
But what my question is, is that are the advice presidents, or the president willing to take a cut and came to help make connected to the competitive?
All right.
Let's ask him that.
Thank you.
I think we might as well get this one cleared up because it's been asked before.
This lady says that she wants to know if the officials that present, she means officers and people of managerial level of G.E.
Would be willing to take a cut such as the peace workers are being asked to take to make connected to the competitive.
Would you comment on that, Mr. Parker?
Yes.
I don't think anybody likes to take a pay cut.
You can't debate that point.
On the other hand, if wages are completely out of line as they are in the peace work area, or if management recognized that their wages were completely out of line, I'm sure that they would find themselves in the same position as the peace worker.
Now, when I talk about wages out of line, I think I ought to make a few points here.
59% of the peace workers, 59% of the 3000 peace workers, make more money than their foreman does.
59% make more money than their foreman does.
The top rates in 1963 was around $15,000 and you've got to add to that another 20% for benefits that are associated with cell.
I think this in itself is evident that evidence that there is something awfully wrong.
Here again, I think we should go back when this peace work system was set up over 50 years ago, it probably meant all of the needs of this plant and it was a logical thing.
Well, when the things that can happen over a period of 50 years or have happened, certainly it could not avoid the conclusion that in the type of equipment we're building today, any system started then could not possibly meet our needs.
In this plant here, we're building heavy, highly engineered, precision-built equipment and to develop a peace work system that would be accurate enough to pay people by is something we have not been able to do.
Now, this isn't all of the blue. We've been working on this for intensely for the last six, seven years.
We've spent millions and millions of dollars and thousands of man hours of time trying to find the answer, trying to avoid the very thing that we are faced with today.
We have been unable to find the solution and I am sure that we never will find it.
That is why we came to the conclusion that we had to get rid of that system, which was completely out of control, and go into something that was fair to the peace worker and to all other employees.
One of the things that bothers us and acts as a deterrent to making any progress in the factory is you've got two classes of citizens doing substantially the same kind of work, bringing about the same kind of skills to the job, getting completely different paid.
This is unfair. It causes a problem among the employees and it restricts us from doing many of the things that we must do with this plan. It's going to be made competitive.
Thank you, sir.
Yeah, congratulate all of us here so far on keeping the questions short and allowing us to handle quite a few.
Hello. Go ahead, please.
Mr. Chandra and Mr. Shambal unwarranted in view of their labor statesmanship in 1958, 1960 and 1963, which brought praise from all segments of our community.
What you just didn't want to want the tax now, you know, so I can really pin it down.
It's something very recent or all through the situation.
Well, recent ones and more or less all through that situation.
All right. Thank you very much for calling.
Bye-bye.
Well, put you personally on this spot. Now I'm just trying to do it.
This lady wants to know if you don't think I'm sure she does.
If you don't think that your, these are her words, attacks on Mr. Shambal and Mr. Chandra are unwarranted due to their, she says labor statesmanship that has been recognized by the community.
Do you feel that your attacks, that you have attacked them?
Well, the first place I don't think we have attacked them.
I think we have responded to some of their charges.
And when they refer to a $60 million building program as a bribe and other remarks of this nature, I think we cannot stand mute.
Well, the first to admit that nothing is gained by name calling.
When this is all over, we've got to work together.
It's only by joint effort that we are ever going to be able to accomplish sharp goals.
I also realize that the union leadership has a real tough problem on their hand.
I wish there was some way that they could, they could avoid getting into these sort of controversy that you've seen in the press.
The last few days, they, they served no purpose.
The only real accomplishment is going to be by setting down at the table and calmly working out an agreement.
They said they have the authority to do this and this is what we want.
I, I was rather astonished at the headlines and the papers a couple days ago where our offer was rejected out of hand.
Rejected before it was even seriously considered or certainly before employees had a chance to express their views.
During negotiations, there were two areas where the union officials constantly requested that we take a more positive position.
One of them was in the investment area of what specifically are you willing to do.
Well, we have cleared that up. We spelled out in detail the amount of money we're going to spend and how we were going to spend it.
This, they had no question about they thought this was fair.
The other area where they have been disturbed and I can understand why is the fact that their plant average would go down in their minds from $36 an hour down to $291.
As a matter of fact, the plant average never would wood or has gone down to $291.
We, we came up with a proposal here on Monday that would retain a plant average of $315, which is one of the highest in general electric company.
It's way above the average for the capital district and it's one of the highest in the United States.
This seems to me should this should have satisfied in my thoughts.
There are demands across the negotiating table. It apparently didn't.
I don't understand the flat turned down. It makes me wonder if they really want to settle this thing peacefully.
Or whether or not they just are going for the last nickel in this thing and they think that if they get to Mr. Craig or somebody higher that is more in it for them.
I can state publicly here now that I can offer and have offered as much as the business condition will allow.
And that Don Craig is in complete accord that I am heading up the negotiations and I am a position at any time they wish to come to an agreement for the general electric company.
Thank you sir. 31771. Hello.
I just want to have a look at the money that's being invested into the one plants that are the reason why it's connected.
It has to be made competitive. Why this money could be invested into this connected equipment itself.
Right. And another thing I'm wondering. At present, the G.E. says that the people are pivoted. The day workers won't be cut as the piece of the work.
I'm wondering how long it'll be before the day workers will be cut.
Do the fact that the G.E. News says that present the day workers won't be affected.
Well, I'll share with you another thing I'd like to know from Mr. Berker. Does he think it would be fair for me to ask him to invest in Berk some of money for me to renovate or to improve my own house?
This is a question that I'd like to have answered.
Well, in the sequence, if I own the house, I don't think I've built a county father's nest for a monstrous loan or monstrous backing to improve my own facilities in my house.
I see what you mean. I see what you mean. That it's not their money. That's right. I honestly don't see where the G.E. deals at the end, investing any money in this at all.
They're getting us from the people that are working for the plant. All right, sir. Thank you for calling.
Do you want to talk to the boss?
There are three distinct questions here. Mr. Berker, at one, I don't know if you'd care to comment on this gentleman seems to think that perhaps the money that the general electric company in the course now we're talking nationally has invested in foreign plants would have done much better here and connected to make connected competitive.
Is there an answer to this?
I don't think there's any relationship between the money we put in the foreign country or any play sells and the money we put in connected. We have offered to spend in connected. All the money that is necessary to modernize this plant.
We stand ready and willing and very anxious to do so.
Now the second part kind of ties in here. It's this gentleman's feeling that perhaps when G.E. is talking of a $60 million investment, they're actually talking about taking money from the employees.
That's not the company money that this is money saved from salary and therefore the people are investing in the company rather than the company investing in the company.
Oh, of course this isn't so. Actually, what the first step in this program is to get wages back to where they are, where they should be in terms of the skill and effort that the employee brings to the job.
The union officials and many of the workers admit that salaries, not salaries, the wages have got out of line for the first step is to correct them and if they want to interpret this correction of an auto control pay system as money that they are contributing to the building program, I don't quite see the logic.
One other point on this question. This gentleman will also like to know what is the future of the day worker. Now we were saying we're bringing the wage of the peace worker down to a level.
In the future, do day workers, or gentlemen or not, people or not, and peace workers, they look forward to a reduction in wages too.
There has been no indication that we have no intention of doing anything of this nature in the day work area. We have established rates for day work. They are the best in the country and we have no intention of cutting those rates.
As a matter of fact, they will be increased on April of 1965 and what happens beyond that I and no one will even speculate on.
We have just about run out of time Mr. Parker, I've saved the question of my own. I was hopeful that it might be asked if it wasn't. I know this is on the mind of all of our listeners and maybe there is no answer to it but I might have tried anyway.
We as I'm talking about, we as people who do not work at General Electric have wondered throughout these talks and sessions. Is there a time limit? They go on and on and we keep wondering when is somebody going to say we're not going to talk anymore? Are we working against the deadline?
Let me answer that question this way. First, my position in these negotiations is one of an agent for the business managers, the Bryce Wyman's Charlie Elston and others in the plant. They run the business. I represent them at the negotiating table and they will make the decisions as to how long we have.
They are in a position today where their competitive position is getting gradually worse. They are very concerned about this time factor. We see and they see no reason why with all the facts before us we can't come to an agreement.
Certainly, as time goes by, they become more and more concerned and are anxious to put themselves in a position where they can compete with their counterparts and where they can see an end to some of the problems they have been faced with for the many past years.
Mr. Parker, I thank you very much for taking time off from what must be an tedious schedule to come up and be with us today. Thank you for your straightforward answers. It was a pleasure having you.
Thank you, sir. Tomorrow we will have a gentleman who has been on the table across the table from Mr. Parker on numerous occasions. We'll put him in the same chair and let you fire away at him. It's open season on guests this week.
Mr. John Shembo, president of the local union will be here to answer your questions. We hope that you will give us the same cooperation that you did today. Our guest today has been Mr. H. J. Parker, who is heading up the company negotiating team and their conferences with the local IUE throughout the makes connected in competitive program.
Thank you listeners for joining us. We'll see you again tomorrow at 1030. This is WSNY's connected in New York.
WSNY is 1240 on your dial and is connected to New York, urging the positive part of our community that can make this connected area more progressive. It's 29 minutes before 11 o'clock and it's time for your party line program with your host Steve Fitz.
Thank you very much for you today as we mentioned yesterday we have a guest and we're continuing our discussion of yesterday from a different viewpoint as you'll recall yesterday Mr. H. J. Parker has connected the general electric was here to answer your questions concerning the negotiations between the company and the union where they stood as he sought the GE offer 60 million dollar offer.
We ask you yesterday and we'll ask you again today to kindly refrain from making comments on what you think about the situation our guest is here to answer your questions not to comment on your comment.
Now we'll be set to go in just seconds matter if I can call anytime now and put your call on the board and we'll get to it as soon as we can.
Thank you very much.
I thought maybe you'd start it off today turn about it for a play we asked Mr. Parker yesterday to kind of state briefly where things stood as he saw them and perhaps we can ask you to do the same thing today certainly and I wish that sometimes we could sit at the same table with a company and have you interview both of us at the same time.
This makes connected a competitive as a fine sounding slow one which you and I or any member of my union any member of the community could subscribe.
However we have to look beneath the surface to find out what it really means and of course I could recite a litany of slogans that have been coined by general electric.
Progress is our most important product operation up turn in 1958 gear up for tomorrow and connected either business effectiveness program and all the MSC and every one of the with every one of these came promises for more jobs for connected and frankly we're still waiting for the jobs and the job that were promised like the slow things have ended up in the dust of make believe we're still waiting for those jobs to come to connected.
Now the only real thing in the in the latest offer the company the only real improved as far as I'm concerned is that the figure they're talking about for investment is realistic the 60 million dollars and we said some time ago that this would be necessary to do the job that has to be done here and connected.
However we are quick to point out that the piece workers the 3000 feet workers we do have an equity this union recognizes and we're willing to correct this and equate to the tune of about three million dollars plus another 22% for print benefits and let the company match it and in an over a 10 year period we still have the 60 million dollars with which to make connected the competitive it wouldn't be a unilateral position by the company it wouldn't be dictation by the company.
It would be negotiate the signed agreement and we could all get on the same train and really push to make this thing work but the way it stands now the 60 million dollars with the 3000 feet workers taking a 10 million dollar a cut plot and also we have to add to that the 22% that's involved in the print benefit that in a period of five years the employees themselves would be paying for the investment they would also be paying for their transition and this is the one that we're going to do.
The one annual wage for a 10 million dollars is put into a fund transition fund at least this is our chart because the company says it's about a 10 to 11 million dollars for transition.
They take this figure of 10 million and then they spread it over a four year period they include the wage increases which will come in our contract will come later in this present contract and they tell the community that we will have a three 15 average or not lower than that during this period.
The fact of the matter is that on 7168 connected these continuing along this trend will have an average plant wage of three dollars and 10 cents rather than the 336 we have today so adult because they will be getting the benefit of the contract and food that we won't get they will have a 330 average sample is eight in California will have a 325 to 324 and when Massachusetts the 323 so this will leave us for any plant where we produce the
precision machinery and I think many people misunderstand the kind of equipment that we do produce the turbine as big as some of the buildings in this city which runs with a precision of a watch real skill involved and we should be out in front of any other general electric plant and come 1968 with a company's plan.
People will have paid for the investment they will have paid for their own transition and they will have an average rate lower than these other plants that I mean.
Thanks John I know you're going to realize what I say it's true I have to be careful what I say some people I'm sure pick up the point that yesterday I referred to my guest as Mr. Parker today I'm referring to you as John and I don't want anybody to think there's any
thank you thank you I have never met Mr. Parker before John and I have met many times previously that's that really. Hello.
Please go ahead please yeah I have a question here go ahead I'm a local business man I'm not particularly important but I think I'll
a little bit about local business problems and I hear all these details but I got a kind of a basic civil question and that's it if it's a choice between
accepting what the company is talking about the terms will just accept money and pay this or are seen to move out of town where is Mr.
Kimbo personally which of these two choices have he had to take one of the other would he take personally the offer or the other right okay thank you very much for calling
thank you I John this gentleman says he's a local business man and he wants a personal opinion from you if he may have it if it was up to you to take a
choice let's say right now or in the near future between the company offer of a $60 million investment or the other choice was that
being moving out of town which would you personally take it I guess if it boiled down to that symbol I don't think that there's much of a choice
here you don't want to see it's connecting move out of town and the thing that should be corrected that we aren't being offered $60
million the people are taking a $10 million a year pay that I'm there giving the $60 million the gentleman is confused is to where the
60 million comes from it comes from the pockets of the people who are going to be cut and we're giving them the company many choices
without any violation of our agreement and we will take three million dollar a wage cut in the peace court area and contribute this and say the
company should max that fine equal amount and then we can move forward so far as I'm concerned there is no choice here the choice that I have I
as far as I'm concerned as far as our union is concerned locally and we have a national agreement we have no right to violate it
and we won't be a party to violate it but under Article 6 we do have the right to negotiate a wage adjustment and a negotiating
this is not a case of negotiations the company said on March 25th this is what we've got to have and as far as I'm concerned that offer from going for going from day
work a piece work a day work has not changed one eye order the amount of money in the transition area has not changed it's the same
pie they're cutting it up a little bit different thank you John hello go ahead please you're on the air I would like to know if the company's proposal stands and it is
right now and they did not change the whole thing and let them then vote to see if they would rather accept the
coming proposal I'm going straight there's no changes yes yes right okay I understand you thank you very much for calling
bye bye
Thomas lady would like to know and again we'll be doing in self-ositions today I'm present if there is no change in the
gd offer and it's the same as it stands now and we reach some kind of a deadline will be will be local vote on
accepting that offer or not or will that be decided someplace else we have to first of all this is a national
agreement we have gone through the three steps of the grievance procedure and this means that we couldn't settle it locally we went to the
national level and this makes the national general electric and the national union party to the negotiations at this point and now
it's this national contract is a property not only of local 301 but of all I we local throughout the change
therefore the conference board is negotiating committee has the right to take action the negotiating committee has met or subcommittee
how's the committee how's the committee has met in New York I think about a week ago and they will make a report to the full conference board
with a recommendation Monday or Tuesday in Washington the conference board will act on that and our decision at that time will be made
public to other in other words if I understand you right if what this lady said didn't happen that there were no changes there were no changes in either
position then the national would make the decision that is right and of course I want to point out we put the point out that I think you know
what Steve and people in this community that the union has not been talking struck we have been doing everything possible to avoid it
and we will decide and make recommendations at that time on after we hear what the conference board has to recommend
ask of what we will do here and connect our number is expressed 31771 our guest is Mr. John Shambel
this is the second in the series of programs John of course the president of local 301 answering your questions today
about the negotiations where they stand now so if you'd like to ask a question of Mr. Shambel please do so remember no comment
questions please hello how have you prepared go ahead please I work here and I connected and I just had a question for him
go ahead he's made a lot of statements about the public today but what kind of bothers me is well how do you really debate losing 5,000 jobs
another word what your ask is what the subject would be no how do you debate losing 5,000 jobs I say I say
okay thank you very much for calling thank you goodbye
John this gentleman says that he attributes to you and you may correct it to the son a desire for public debate on the issues of some site some sort
he would like to know how you could debate losing 5,000 jobs evidently he means that this is this is the culmination how could you debate losing 5,000 jobs
well I don't think that you can debate losing 5,000 jobs I would debate with the company the means by which we feel that these 5,000 jobs can be saved
and we can do this without violation of our national agreement and we can do it without any sacrifice or compromise a principle but real collective bargaining
and we feel that a public form set up any way that any group in this city decided to do it whether it be the board of supervisors and you're willing to go by the format that they laid on
whether it's a big group or a small group and we are willing to debate and we would like to have somebody else a third party just here the proposals that we have
listen to our arithmetic on the situation as the board of supervisors did last night but Mr. Craig would not attend and I'm not going to talk about losing this is a negative approach I'm approaching this thing in a positive fashion the same as I did in 1958 the same as I did in 1960 and the same as we did in 1963
and this local union drew great praise from all segments of the community at that time for their statemanship and I would like this gentleman to know that I am the same person with the same principles and the same philosophy who helped to lead this local union through those time times and my principles haven't changed the only change here is the people on the other side of the bargaining table they are new Mr. Parker himself has only been at the bargaining table with us since the first part of the day
and this is a very poor time to start a training program at such a crucial time so I'm not being taught about losing 5,000 jobs I would debate how to save the 5,000 jobs in pool I believe beyond any doubt that it could be done and we could be competitive and we wouldn't violate our nationality
thank you John express 31771 hello yes go ahead please I'd like to ask Mr. Shambler yesterday Mr. Markler was asked twice the vice president of the including Mr. Craig Mr. Don
I don't know what secret and what is it John I'll ask him and you tell me what it's in fair grounds this gentleman said yesterday he said a couple times I remember one question came in
Mr. Parker about the executives taking pay cut in order to help make some of the this gentleman for some reason would like to know if this question everything was over the bargaining table
did come up over the bargaining table because the problem that we have is connected with our local union we're being asked to have 3,000 people take a 10 million dollar your pay cut
so we say to the company in order at as mature men to sit down at the bargaining table and arrive at a fair and equitable solution we must have more facts on the table is it just these 3,000 people who are causing the problem and keeping in mind the fact that the union has set we will cut these people by by the to the tune of about 3 million a year we will have everybody in line with the rate and the value of their job there will be no more money
and actually keeping all of these things in mind we say that the company in order to help us to bargain and to make it a statement right and in the best interest of our people and in our community and everybody involved that we should know not only the salaries and it should not only be made public the salaries of the 3,000 people are making 4,000 only 1,000 before work for them or even the 9,000 people are less that we are supposed to represent and this is less than half of the total employment
so we say we are looking at 3,000 people and less than about 1,000 to the bargaining table or 1,000 to the total employment and the company says this is the problem this is what we have got to solve so we have set the general elected that we need the salaries and the wages of the other 12,000 people and this would include the executives I don't know whether Mr. Parker and Mr. Craig and Mr. Levy are their sellers are they competitive with their counterparts in Westingham
now they say this is management's product is they won't hand it out they won't give up this kind of information we're perfectly willing to take an oath and just sit at the table so that we can in good context
and decide whether the whole problem is in the peace work area and then we have said if you will do this and if you open the book and you prove this point then Mr. Jan Zor and I will rise to the occasion we will tell them the people that the company has proven to us beyond the doubt
that the peace workers are 10 million dollars a year out of line we've got to take the cut now when the day that the company can do this without an open book policy and we can act in good faith but I certainly can't buy a pig in the folk and by letting the company tell me here is the wages of these 3,000 people
they're way out of them and there's something got to be done about they can I can look at the 3,000 people without comparing or knowing about the management their wages the salary people
I can look at some to a certain extent say yes to me these people are out of line but not out of line to the 2,000,000 dollars.
Right now thank you. Now I answer the next question I'm going to get up and I don't want you to think I'm going to jump out the window I can't see the clock over there so I'm going to do a movie.
Hi thanks for waiting go ahead.
Did I understand the fishing and both of the say that this decision would be an national decision?
I believe that's right.
Well then am I correct in assuming that if this is the case the people of the community who's the economy will be affected
have nothing to say no vote in it at all.
I'll certainly ask for you.
Thank you.
This lady understood and I agreed with her John that in a discussion a few minutes ago you said that the way things have been
positioned things have reached out that a final decision I guess we can use that would be a national decision.
This lady wants to know if the people of Schemeck City I'm using her words I presume she might need the community work or the people you represent.
Well she wants to know would they have any voice and they must have they certainly will and I think that our record of the past
speaks for itself that the members of our union have always made the final decision and they will make the final decision in this area and we will have recommendations for them to act on.
The point that I made about the national is that it's a national contract and the national union realizes that part of that contract is being violated.
They feel it's connected to being used as a guinea pig and then we will move to places like Lynn, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and all the other places where they have teeth work and they will be next.
So they're vitally interested in it so they could well take action to recommend the structure of the chain.
This is possible and I said earlier hesitate to talk about strike because it's a last it's certainly a last resort and it's a weapon that we have right to use that we want to use it with the stretch and hope never to use it.
But the people of our local union will answer is definitely yes they'll have a say in whatever we do as they have every month we have a meeting.
We have called special office meeting special board meetings and we have that membership meeting once every month at which time we completely review what is taking place from the from the last meeting to the one that they are attending.
We will do this again on the 14th of September and by that time the people will know what the recommendation of the conference board was but our people is connected is certainly will have that we have a democratic organization and the people in this community know and I am very invignant when they imply other.
Thank you John 31771 your questions are of course welcome.
Hello thank you for waiting go ahead.
I'm sorry if I've got two questions here.
First one is one I might ask what your shambles he a piece worker or a day worker.
And the second one is I've got a lot of people coming into my store and I can find money that are against this company proposition 9th of the workers are 4.
So what does make your shambles want to do.
I remember his own now with the national union and make some points of Mr. Carrier does he want to represent these people.
All right here thank you for calling.
You're welcome.
Well we've reached kind of a personal 20 year John but I don't think that you'll mind asking this gentleman part one of his questions.
I want to know if you are a piece worker or a day worker.
I have been I was a day worker for 21 years I was a piece worker.
I was before I came on to the union office I was a piece worker for about a year and a half.
I served my apprenticeship and I worked in the tool.
There's a tool made for general electric for 21 years I know full size of this foot so now you're needed right.
I haven't been in the working in the shop since Latin January actually participating in work I've been working for the union.
Of course in the last five months I've been taken up fully with this particular project.
Part two of this gentleman's question John he says that many of the people who come into a store and opportunity to associate with business wife.
Many of the people he says seem to feel that this latest company offer is a very good one and they can't understand why the union has not responded to it.
Except that it might be because of the national means that maybe they don't understand the whole story can you answer that.
The local general electric had as much a problem as we have on our open union and we have proven this in the past.
We've proven our independence as a matter of work and we are fully authorized and have full author of it.
To negotiate a settlement that's connected but the difference here is that we're not this isn't a negotiation if you read closely the company says if we will accept their transition to they will accept their method of transition.
They don't allow any negotiations in this area and we say this is a violation of contract.
So we have no reservations about saying that the $60 million is realistic but the thing with this gentleman should remember that the $60 million comes from.
Sure it's a good sounding offer and the company has the people in this community scared strips because of this threat to move.
The people are scared and justly so because there's a record of general electric since 1954 they moved.
We've lost 20-some thousand jobs in that plant. Many of them through moving large departments out of connected so naturally the people are afraid.
That's what's wrong in this role in the negotiation that the company took this whole thing away from the collective bargaining table.
We met on the 25th of March and before we could have a second meeting the company had arranged meetings with the business leaders, the politicians, the appointed officials and they took this whole subject away from the collective bargaining table.
They took such a strong position that that meeting with the businessmen as to what they had to do.
That there has been no negotiation since and they're depending on the community to stand feed through the sphere campaign and to force the union into accepting this even though we know that it's not morally right for us to do so at this time.
All right sir thank you. We still have time for your question. Hello. Go ahead. My question is for Mr. Sham. Hello. Mr. Parker claims according to accounts and the newspapers that the union is not willing to negotiate.
If this is true why will not be union negotiate? Why will I want to? Yes why will be union negotiate?
Okay thank you for calling. Please remember that I received questions right on the desk. I don't bow for them. This way he says that she has read in the paper that Mr. Parker has claimed that the union will not negotiate.
If this is true why won't you negotiate? The union will negotiate and that's all that we're asking the company to do that article six of our time price applies and it matters of this price.
They can be negotiated by the local union and the men. The company has sought to seem fit. The unilaterally say this is what we're going to do. This isn't negotiating. This is a dictate.
And that is there been their position since the 25th of March. We have gone down our time and time again. And in New York we've been off. We have tried to get them to negotiate. And every time we go back to the table they say this is it. It's the same thing. You've got to go to day work. And this is where you're going to end up.
And remember that transition's monomoney has never changed. It's still there. It's the same amount of money. They offered back on the 25th of May. I believe when they first off in the transition fight.
So we are willing to negotiate and I haven't read even I wouldn't charge Mr. Parker with saying that she read it. I'll accept it. But we she might have read the I said it because we don't feel what they are.
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he said, he said, we accept every I accepted every I accepted every I accepted every I accepted every I accepted every I accepted every I accepted every I accepted this at the stage I should reject. He said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said
when he came into the go-to, assume that we accept every proposal that you have made.
Will you guarantee us that you will remain disconnected?
In his exact words were an I quote, I don't can't even guarantee that I'll get up
some more morning, I'm full.
Hello, thank you for waiting. Go ahead.
I'll get two questions for you.
Okay.
Has he checked into the unit, he checked into whether the question,
is there any information that you have to ask?
Yes, there is.
I have a question.
I have a question.
Mr. Park yesterday, today, file group is finished.
So, I think I have the group and completed.
Now, they file copies and the files were going to be finished.
Now, they arrange for the money, for the construction costs to be deposited today
off the cost of construction.
And my son, I think, has a DE board of directors, okay, this construction,
which would indicate the compliance and back up the DEs claim.
In the second, GE sometimes made a statement that sometimes I'll make a statement
to the effect that they expected the form of peace workers to produce just as much on the day eight
as they formally produce that peace workers.
Now, let's respect the show of these peace workers, formal peace workers,
especially group by themselves, which is not a good position.
And I'd like to know the Indian, what's going to do with the...
Regular day, great workers don't produce as much as expected of the peace workers.
Peace workers will maybe find...
Well, okay, I'll ask them both.
You look great.
Supercomputer, John.
Mr. Chairman wants to know if the union has any...
He's not made up, and there will be a lamp on the wheel to handle.
Does the union have any information that the general of extra company has filed
blue prints for any of the sterling as the GE board of directors approved the payers'
duty as the union of any knowledge?
We have no evidence of this.
We have to accept it.
There were words to say that we understand that they did have plans for building if they moved out of the connective.
Whether they have the plans for this building or not, we don't know.
We just accept to take the face values of their letter that says that they're going to do this.
And it says in the letter that they go, they will be hiring, I think, the architect.
So this plan apparently hasn't been made at least for its connective.
This is still something that's in the coffee state.
Gentlemen also like to know, he understands that now peace workers who are on day-rate
are still working at a peace-worth rate, as far as working hours.
So putting out the what-blood is in the union position on this.
Well, our position is that a person should give a fair date work for fair days pay.
And the other, the produce for fair days pay for the problem here is that the company says that people are producing as fast as they did before.
But the company's plan is that even though a man's pay might be cut, for example, on the average, the peace-worth will be cut at $1.45 an hour.
So if a man goes from, for example, $5 an hour to $3.5 and he was doing 10 pieces an hour, the company says he will still do 10 pieces.
As a matter of fact, we have copies of their conversion pay.
We could show they expect even though the man is no longer on the center, there's no incentive for him to produce at this fee,
that he will still be expected to produce at the same or more than he did when he was on the incentive pay for a fee.
John, I have one of my own that didn't come in and I want to ask it because I think it's on the mind of many of our listeners.
And you can either answer it or say no comment or throw the axiot in the way that you think it would be an apropos.
So if this is the last company offer and if neither side budget, and I know that somewhere there's a deadline, I don't know when it is, but I presume it has to be.
If there is no budget on either side, if this is the final company offer, what is your prediction? Can you make one now?
Well, I don't like to predict or try to guess what the General Electric Conference Board is going to do.
They will have a recommendation which every local lags on and I agree with you that we must be coming down the road to an impact here and that's why we're searching for every way possible to really do some collective bargain.
But the National IEWe Conference Board will make a recommendation which we will release to the presence connected to the footage we find out what it is.
Then we will have to come back to us connecting top of our people and act on that recommendation.
And I just hope and pray for the sake of the people I represent, even the General Electric Company, the community in which we live, I hope and pray that we will be able to come out of this as we have come out of others.
Things that do it honorably and without violating any agreements and be able to say to our people that General Electric has sat down with us at the collective bargaining table.
They have negotiated this, it isn't all we want, you people aren't going to be completely happy with it, but in the long range it looks good for you, it looks good for us, it looks good for us connected.
And we would urge our people to accept it, but at this point we can only tell our people that the General Electric Company's offer is basically the same in the amount of money that they're going to give in this transition, their position from going to feetwork a day worth is exactly the same as it was on the 25th of March, which certainly tells our people that has been known, there has been no collective bargain.
Our day workers know this too, while they're on sort of a honeymoon with the company at the present time they know that they're going to be asked for form and it says so in the letter we received from the company they're going to have to, we will have major day working the plan, this is going to be a new thing for them.
And this is going to develop a multitude of the people in order to overcome this attitude and to get the goodwill of the people.
We've got to be able to go back and say, generally elected, they've seen the light of day and we aren't asking for the moon, but we'd like to see a little flimmer, a little ray of light in this thing.
So that we could say to our people, General Electric has made a change in their offer, they have made it so that you and I can accept it and we will push to have it accepted.
And then we will join with Gigi to make the connected a really competitive job. Thank you so much, as I said to Mr. Parker, I know both of you are very, very busy gentlemen.
And I thank you for coming up and letting our listeners shoot out. Thank you Steve and thank WS NW.
We will be continuing our discussions next week. I'm sure on various facets of this so you are interested in every day so you don't miss anything.
I thank John Chambo, president of local 301, IUECIO for getting with us today.
Thank you for your questions. This is WS NW. I'm connected in New York.
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