House 2019 Call Campaign, 2019

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Interview results and other information

Steven

Rudy

12 - Kaye G and | met with him at the State Fair. He is open to
abolition; he claimed that if he were asked two years ago he
|would support abolition, but with a 2-yr old daughter he is not
Iso sure; this aligns with a statement publicly made at a
[Catholic @ the Capitol event in 2011. Next visit with him
should include a victim family member.

Richard

Heath

Kate met with him; did not indicate his position

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Randall "Randy"

Bridges

Lynn

Bechler

Kenny

Imes

the death penalty. He told us almost immediately that he
lcouldnae™t support a bill to abolish because some crimes are
just so terrible that he canae™t think of anything more
humane to do for citizens of KY and for the individual who
committed the murder. He used the word a€cehumaneaeil
frequently, talking also about how people should be executed.
He mentioned the drug protocol and botched executions
saying that he didnae™t understand why we couldnae™t
a€cefigure it outae?] and suggesting that we OD people on
heroin because people seem to be pretty happy when they
die that way. Anyway, all of his semi-crazy talk aside, he
turned out to be very thoughtful about it. He said that he
struggles and that he is concerned about innocence and cost.
| suggested that money not used for executions, appeals, etc.
could be used for better evidence retention, police resources
land so on, and he was interested in that argument. He asked
about our position on abortion, and | gave a stock answer
labout partnering with a lot of pro-life people, and stated that
lour org doesnae™t have a position on the issue. He said that
lhe felt that if youae™re anti-death penalty or anti-abortion,
lyou should be the other (which makes me think that he thinks
lhe should be against the DP). He was interested in the ABA
report and when | said that our justice system should be
perfect if wea€™re going to execute people, he said
aecethere! you hit the nail on the head with that!4€2l. So, |
|feel like hea€™s very, very moveable. He needs to hear from
victims families, constituents and pro-lifers. | think he needs
some more education about innocence and some of the
problems with Kentuckyae™s system. | talked to him about
Denny Butler, Edwin Chandler and Larry Osborne, trying to
illustrate that these things do happen in KY because he said
lover and over that it should be 4€cebeyond a reasonable
Idoubtae?l. | also explained that juries often find people guilty
laecebeyond a reasonable doubtae2 and that there are at least
155 cases where theyae™ve been proven to be wrong even if
they were certain at the time. Again, he was thoughtful,
lengaged in debate actively and politely and | think heae™s

Chris

Freeland

Republican new

Suzanne

Miles

[Adamantly supported it in a conversation with Dick Murphy of
Owensboro recently (Jan. 2016):
Fr. Pat,

| just go the chance to talk with Rep. Susan Miles
lyesterday about his subject. She appears to be strongly pro-
ldeath penalty. She asked when the last execution occurred
land | was not entirely sure, but | indicated that | thought
|there had been only three since the seventies. She said that
lyou can't go much slower than that; as if there was basically a
moratorium of sorts already on further killing.
| tried to reason with her but no joy.

Blew off Shekinah's attempt to meet with her in Jan 2016

|Walker

[Thomas

2/22/17 - Eklund, VonAllmen and Tom Navin report that he is
lon the fence and moveable; a cradle to grave prolifer; needs
Isomeone evangelical to meet with him.

Myron

Dossett

Bob met him 9/2017 - Very much against us. Myron is a nice,
quiet guy from a very rural,conservative (VERY rural, VERY
lconservative, as he emphasized over and over) district in
southwestern Kentucky (parts of Christian, Hopkins counties).
He claims even the Catholics in his district (he is not Catholic)
lare strongly for the death penalty. He gave me the usual
promises to keep an open mind, etc., but his mind is very
made up already. On the floor, during the debate on our bill,
lhe would be very effective because he is not a blustering, fire-
breathing prosecutor type like Stan Lee and Benvenuti. Myron
is not a lawyer at all, but a nice quiet businessman who a lot
lof the GOP rank and file genuinely like very much. We would
have to be sure that right after he said his piece, that an
individual from a similar area who supports us (Rep. Prunty?)
gives a hopefully-just-as-compelling response, complete with
reference to a similar gruesome homicide in her/his district.

10

Dean

ISchamore

Representative Schamore (2/4/15) (mtg lasted about 30
minutes with Kirk Bloodsworth and Shekinah Lavalle)--
Ischamore knew who we were and had looked up Kirk before
lwe got there. A He had asked someone from the LRC come
lover and take a picture with him and Kirk while we were
|there. A He listened very closely to Kirkae€™s story and was
visibly interested in the connections between his story and
ithe faulty pieces of KYa€™s system addressed by the ABA
report. A He made several comments disparaging lawyers and
prosecutors especially. A Rep. Schamore had a strong reaction
Ito a brief description of Mike VonAllmenae™s story. A | think
la meeting with Mike could be useful in getting him to
Icosponsor, but | doubt itae™s necessary in convincing him.

|A He made a point of telling us that he is not Conservative.

[A He also mentioned racial disparities in sentencing. A Kirk
thinks hea€™s definitely with us, | think he is very likely with
lus but may need some convincing to step out about it.

13/8/17 - Delahanty reports he with us on abolishing.

44

Robert "Rob"

\Wiederstein

Democrat: former district court judge

12

James

|Gooch, Jr.

Yes on RJA - no hope on DP - 2002; (2/12/14 Shekinah, Kate
Mudd, Michael VonAllmen) The cost argument interests him.
He thinks that life without parole should be used more often
than not. Shared with us that heae™s discussed this with his
wife, and that she said she wouldnae™t want a death penalty
Icase on her conscience. Hea€™s not with us yet, but | think
lhe can be with more meetings with innocent people and
Imaybe with someone like Randy Wheeler.

13

Jim

Glenn

January 2016 in Frankfort: Rep Glenn (15 min) Shekinah, Jared
Ruhl--

Rep Glenn is with us. He will not co-sponsor because he says
his constituents would not support that but he says that if an
abolition bill came to the floor, hea€™d absolutely vote for it.
IHeae™s a very friendly, talkative person who is passionate
labout education. Glenn does not support life in prison
|without parole either, he doesnae™t think that people need
|to be in jail that long to not be a danger to society. He says
lyou can just wait til theyae™re 35 and canae™t run as fast to
let them out, and he said that most crime is perpetrated by
lyoung people. He cited innocence as a big part of his reason
for being against the death penalty, but | think thatae™s just a
validation of the opinion he already holds, based on his
overall sentiments about the criminal justice system. He
|teaches finance and economics at Owensboro Community
[College and he thinks that most people are pretty stupid (his
|words).

14

Scott

Lewis

INew Republican/State Trooper

415

Melina

Prunty

(Catholic, prolife - Spoke of her opposition at a Catholics @ the
\Capitol event in Jan 2017. Gave passionate floor speech asking
the bill get a hearing. Co-sponsored.

16

Jason

Petrie

|_ xO00D_
INew Judiciary chair: Nemes confirms he is abolitionist (Dec
2018).

In a Jan 2017 meeting with Jason Nemes | was told that Rep.
Petrie will vote to abolish, though he still supports the death
penalty in principle. But, he cannot support how it is
administered.

3/8/17 - Ben Griffith describes that he on the fence to a soft
YES.

Here is yet another report. This time from Heleringer. | will
keep him in the YES column, but know that is not solid. -
lawyer, who approached our discussion as two attorneys
discussing the finer points of some legal theory; nice guy;
lopen to talking but he said up front that he won his seat by
painting his opponent as a liberal, including, | think he was
implying, her support for abolition. Having an anti-death
position would not be "in sync" (his words) with his
lconservative district. He strikes me as another guy who might
benefit from a discussion with some abolition folks in his area
land the more prominent they are the better, was my totally
subjective impression. He represents Todd and Logan counties
ldown on the Tennessee border. A gut feeling of mine says
he's winnable at some point. Not nearly as bloodthirsty as our
lfriends Rep. Morgan (above), Joe Fischer, and Stan Lee.

17

steve

Sheldon

18

Tim

Moore

After several contacts with him, it is clear he supports the
ldeath penalty. He was dismissive of Miriam on top of being
disrespectful and arrogant. Best to leave him alone.

19

Michael L.

Meredith

20

Patti

Minter

Inew Democrat PhD, ACLU Board Membeer

21

Bart

Rowland

Representative Rowland (2/25/15, mtg lasted about 15
minutes) (John Stopher, Miriam Byrd Hans, Luke Hans,
Shekinah Lavalle present)I donde™t think our meeting with
Rep. Rowland was very fruitful. A Report (which I've deleted
most of) indicated he seemed uninterested and did not
exactly reveal a position. IT IS TIME TO VISIT HIM AGAIN.

122

Wilson

Stone

1/28/17 - not sure why | have him opposed. | think info got
mixed up here. He might be unknown. Needs a visit. After a
lvisit | think he is movable.

123

Steve

Riley

13/8/2017 - Ben Griffith reports he is on the fence and
moveable.

lHeleringer reports: former principal from Glasgow; very, very
Inice, easy going guy befitting someone who needs to show
jextreme calm while running a high school in these times; very
religious individual; will vote to abolish CP when abortion is
loutlawed he says; didn't get a commitment either way which
isn't too bad; very approachable and open to discuss.

24

Brandon

Reed

lHeleringer reports that he is a little guy from LaRue county,
lalso represents Green and Marion counties; need to get
|Catholics in Marion to work on him; | suspect he lost Marion
which is still a Democratic holdout and might want to make
inroads there. Just my thought not based on anything specific.
He's a very nice, affable, soft-spoken young man serving in his
"dream job" he told me enthusiastically. Another Rep. that
keeps a Bible on his desk. Not with us at all, in fact he says he
ran against the incumbent ON OUR ISSUE and used it to
\defeat him (he believes). He's a part-time minister on the
side. He insists he's willing to talk about the issue so we
should oblige him on that point. I've gone out of my way to
speak to him in the halls because he seems to be kind of a
loner. Because of his disability (not sure what it is), he uses a
scooter and so can't really walk with the clumps of other guys
jthat usually walk around together to committee rooms or
lover to the Capitol. We should strive to maintain a good
relationship with him. He strikes me as a guy who would
appreciate that effort.

25

Jim

Duplessis

Rep. Duplessis (2/11/15) (Meeting lasted about 20 minutes,
Shekinah Lavalle and Mike Von Allmen) A Pretty much off the
bat, Duplessis told us that he was a pro-life conservative who
|doesnae™t believe in the death penalty. A Mike shared his
story and he was concerned about the fact that the
leyewitness testimony was so fallible. A He wants to read the
bill and he specifically wanted to know what Rep. Moore
jthought. A He said that Moore is a 4€oeleader in our
Icaucusa€2] and that if moore was on board, heae™d be more
inclined to co-sponsor the abolition bill as well. A He was
careful to say that he cannot support a bill that he hasnae™t
read, but as he wonae™t find any surprises, | think we can
lcount him as a 4€ceyesae?| vote. A | pointed out that Floyd
sponsored the bill and he said that that was 4€oea big plusae€?!
for him.

126

Russell

\Webber

INo notes - not sure why | have him as movable.

127

Nancy

Tate

Bob and | met with her. No firm commitment but she is at
least movable if not actually for abolition. She is prolife and
|Catholic. Works in IT at UPS. Board of KY Right to Life.

28

Charles

Miller

INot sure when he was spoken to, but for DP, but remains
lopen. Believes voters want it.

129

Kevin D.

Bratcher

12017 - Republican Whip; Heleringer had a long breakfast
meeting with him during first week of the session. Long-time
friend and former colleague. He's definitely not with us (yet)
but | will continue to work on him. However closed his mind
is, he is polite and will listen. If the rest of the House
leadership ever gives us a green light (for a committee
Imeeting/vote; House floor vote), | don't think he would
independently stand apart from them and try to stop us.

INo on RJA. (3/5/14 Kate Mudd, Shekinah) He talked in detail
labout horrific rape and murder cases and then asked us what
lwe think should happen to the people who committed those
crimes. He doesnae™t seem like someone whoae™s going to
Imove, but maybe someone else should try (lae™d
recommend they be males).

12019: No longer in leadership.

Supports abolition

Summer 2014 - Miriam, Shekinah - Tom Burch is with us and
spent most of our time talking a lot about womenae™s
reproductive health rights. He said that he supports
[treatment for drug abusers and drew a connection between
|this issue and the death penalty by saying that a lot of times
people get into bad situations that escalate and they just
need some support to get out. He did talk a bit about
la€ceblack on black crimeaell saying that we had to find a way

haw [Fhomas.J. Burch jto get A€cethose people to stop killing each otheraell (ugh).
He said that he regrets voting to reinstate the death penalty
in the 70a€™s but that back then, they didnae™t know as
much about how bad the system would be. He grew up in an
labusive home, which he alluded to several times and again
drew connections between that type of violence and murder,
lhe talked about how passionate/enraged people can become
land then do stupid things. He said that heae™d vote to
labolish the death penalty but that he will not cosponsor a bill
lwith David Floyd.
: Kate Miller asked and Rep. Raymond said it is not a priority for
St pose Raymond her but she would vote to abolish
132 Tina Bojanowski
133 Jason Nemes
134, Mary Lou Marzian \Abolition Supporter
135 Lisa Wilner December '18 - with Pat: supports abolition; will co-sponsor
During 2015 session David Floyd reported to Kate Miller that
136 erry Miller Jerry Miller is with us; Jan 27, '16 email from Carlos Malave
confirms this position.
13/8/17 - Annette Darnell met and reports he is pro death
penalty. Positive meeting. Says he is moveable. | reported the
hag leffery Donchue same from a meeting in 2016. Needs to hear from more
lconstituents or his pastor.
‘ Eklund & Lauter visited 2/22/17 - Supportive because of how
38 McKenzie (Cantrell it is applied. Needs to hear from constituents.
139 Russ Meyer Democrat
40 Nima Kulkarni Kate Miller asked and Rep. Kulkarni said she would vote to
abolish
144. Attica Scott Supports abolition. Made video

42

Reginald K.

Meeks

Abolition Supporter - (2/4/14 Shekinah, Michael VonAllmen)
Focused a lot on Michaela€™s story, thinks his DNA collection
bill is a good solution to wrongful convictions. Wants racial
breakdown on KY and Nationally (though we explained that
KYae™s race data doesnae™t show a strong bias). Said
lheae™d vote to abolish but did not seem interested in co-
sponsoring. (Told Pat Delahanty he didn't care for the sponsor
David Floyd and that's why he is not co-sponsoring.)

l43

Charles

Booker

Met with Bob Heleringer and Pat Delahanty: solid abolitionist;
lpromised to co-sponsor

144

Uoni L.

Jenkins

1999 - Going to think and pray. Jane Walsh can work on her.
12003 - Can support all remedial; will approach Stumbo about
Icost and process; Standford helps her. 8/15/2014 Randy Steidl
land | (Kate Miller) met with Joni at her office at JCTC. Randy
shared his story and Joni appeared to be listening closely and
lasked good follow up questions. She has gone back and forth
lon the issue because of the Stanford killing. She recalled a
lvote in A&R that had something to do with the budget and
funding the death penalty. After being pressed she said she
lwould have to go with her faith on this one and vote for
abolition. Later she affirmed if there were a death penalty bill
in front of her she would vote for abolition.

She brought up concern for the family members of murder
victims and pointed out how hard the appeals process can be
lon them. She mentioned her history as a victim advocate and
how that shaped her opinion. She also brought up her
Iconcern (thought not well researched, she said) was for
corrections officersae™ safety if we did not have a death
penalty to hold over inmates headae™s. Randy explained that
from his experience the better behaved inmates were the
loneae™s doing life sentences as they just wanted to carve out
a little bit of normalcy.

45

J. Stan

Lee

For dp. God has spoken - 2001; wife is abolitionist

Jan 10 2017 with Bob Heleringer: As promised, | met with
Stan Lee today in Frankfort. Spoke with him for about 15
minutes. ... | simply asked him to have an open mind about
lour issues when (if?) they are presented in the Judiciary
lcommittee. He readily agreed to do that and didn't seem to
be chomping at the bit to oppose us. He repeatedly said how
Imuch he admires David Floyd and his position of the DP which
mirrors the respectful way he always treated me when | was
proposing my repeal floor amendment (in 1998, | think?)
although he was adamantly opposed. We might keep this in
mind when we get rolling to try to get David (Floyd) to give
Stan a call prior to any vote in committee or on the floor, if
David will agree to do such.

46

Alan

Gentry

\Co-sponsored the bill to abolish

147

Rick W.

Rand

|03, wants to be nice, for d.p. UPDATE: (1/29/14 Kate Mudd,
Shekinah, Michael VonAllmen) Rand seemed to agree that the
DP needs to go but will not do so without hearing from his
lown constituents. There was a murder in his district recently
land he is of the opinion (rightly so, [a4€™m sure) that his
Iconstituents would be unhappy about him voting for abolition
lat this time. He does poll his district from time to time, so
|that seems like a possible opportunity to work with him on
getting a feel for where his constituents stand. He also
pointed out that wording matters in something like that and
suggested that if his constituents were asked questions ina
Icertain way, theyae™d express more interest in abolition.
Rand needs to see that it would not be detrimental to his
career as a politician to vote yes on an abolition bill and
Iconvincing him that it would be to his benefit | think would
lget a definite yes from him.

48

Maria

Sorolis

49

[Thomas

Huff

Bob and | met with Rep Huff and he mostly listened. Did not
volunteer a lot of information, but he certainly is not with us.
He's very cautious. Has no political experience and ran
|without any real party support. Decided he could do better
|than others and put his name in the hat. May be movable, but
it will be awhile.

50

Chad

McCoy

Support Abolition

51

John "Bam"

Carney

3/13/14 (Kate Mudd, Sabrina Butler): Rep. Carney met Sabrina
briefly and was interested enough to set up a meeting with us
|the following week with Mike VonAllmen.

13/18/14 No Kate Miller, Michael VonAllmen)

He did seek us out and he might move on this issue. Sabrina
Imade an impression on him and he wanted to hear more
labout her case. We were not able to arrange a meeting with
him and Sabrina but we did get him a meeting with Michael.

INov 11, 2014 - in Campbellsville - included Kate Miller,
Vennifer Raggard (ACLU intern) and Kirk Bloodsworth. Kirk
shared his storyabout being the first death row inmate
lexonerated by DNA. Carney was very interested in the cost for
KY. He believed that this was needed for political cover for his
Iconstituents. | highlighted the challenges in terms of getting
laccurate numbers on costs, the obstacles that are in the way
land explained with his help and the weight of the general
lassembly those figures might be more accessible. | believe it
lwould be helpful for Representative Floyd to follow up with
him.

52

Ken

Upchurch

13/13/14 (Kate Mudd, Sabrina Butler): Kate introduced Sabrina
|to Upchurch in the hallway. He told Kate that he wishes KY
lwere more like TX, but was pleasant to Sabrina. He is FOR the
death penalty. He was very nice and talked to us about some
lof his concerns, mostly just the possibility of executing
someone innocent. He doesna€™t care about cost, said he
\didnae™t care how much it costs to execute some people as
long as they get executed.

53

James

Tipton

Representative Tipton (2/5/15) (mtg lasted about 25 minutes
|with Kirk Bloodsworth and Shekinah Lavalle)-- Tipton was very
lfriendly to both of us and seemed to be excited to meet Kirk.
|A Seemed like a A€cegood ola€™€!l boy but in the good
lway--like he has strong values and a deeply held
moral/Christian beliefs. A Tipton said 4€celae™ve moved a lot
lon this issue over the years...and | donae™t think we have the
right to take away the time on earth that someone might have
|to find Jesus and repentaeiZl. A So, | think heaé™s with us.

|A |ae™d like to meet with him again, with another religious
Iperson---maybe Ruth or Miriam?

54

Daniel

Elliott

SS

Kim

King

(1/29/14 Kate Mudd, Michael VonAllmen, Shekinah)

Did not pay a lot of attention to what we had to say. She
seemed to be pro-DP, but was interested in the financial
laspects of DP repeal. She became very fixated on the juror
Iconfusion aspect of the ABA report. Not really sure that she
lwas actually interested in that or if she was trying to find
something to focus on.

56

oe

Graviss

[Democrat - Tom Fitz is reaching out

S7

Derrick

Graham

58

Rob

Rothenburger

|Catholic

59

David

\Osborne

(1/30/14 Shekinah, Michael VonAllmen) Wants to keep the DP
for the worst of the worst. Headé™s not sure about the DP.

He is on the fence, doesnae™t seem to feel very strongly
labout it one way or the other. Was interested in Mike
\VonAllmenae™s story, but it didnae™t seem to make a huge
impression on him. My feeling was that he would want to
hear from constituents and might be swayed by more figures
labout cost. | would also like to bring in MVFM because | think
lheae™d be interested in hearing from them.

Email response to constituent Mary Haynes
Dear Mary,

[Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your
support for repealing the death penalty. | must admit that
this is a tough one for me. | have always considered myself to
be strongly in favor of the death penalty for the most heinous
lof crimes. That said, the way that it is presently administered
gives me great pause. | am not quite to the point where | can
definitively say that | can support a complete repeal but | am
jto the point that | think that we need to make some dramatic
Ichanges to the current system and will absolutely do a lot of
soul searching if | get to cast a vote on the bill. | know that is
Inot exactly the answer that you might want but it is the best
|that | can offer, at this point, and it is a long way from where |
lonce was.

| really appreciate your input - please feel free to contact me
anytime.

Regards,

David

60

Sal

Santoro

64

Savannah

Maddox

162

Phillip

Pratt

163

Diane

St. Onge

64

Kimberly

Moser

lHeleringer reports: lovely, lovely woman; had a long talk with
her about abolition being part of the pro-life movement,
which has always been my kind of "thing," and she agrees
100%. Has 5 sons, all of whom are very precious to her; life is
sacred, these are all quotes from her; she's pro-life because
she is a mother -- my impression. Shortly after we met, | saw
lwhere she co-signed our House bill. Would definitely want her
|to speak on our behalf both in committee and on the floor
lwhen the time comes. She's no novice, comes from a very
political No. Ky family.

65

Charles "Buddy"

|Wheatley

Democrat

166

IC. Ed

Massey

167

Dennis

Keene

12015 - Representative Keene (2/26/16 lasted about 25
minutes) (Michael VonAllmen and Shekinah Lavalle were
lpresent)Representative Keene let us know immediately that
lhe was with us. He says heae™s been against the death
penalty as long as hea€™s been a legislator. He said he was
excited that thereae™s a bill and that heae™d been unaware
lof it. He also had good things to say about Rep. Floyd and
Iseemed to be very interested in working with him on that bill.
He was very interested in Mikea€™s story and told him that
lheae™d use it in the future to talk about some of the issues
[that using the death penalty brings up. He was glad to have
[talking points on LWOP and the ABA report. He said that he
likes to work across lines of difference and | think he might be
la good person to develop more of a relationship with to foster
lconversations between that block of NKY legislators who are
a€cepro-lifeael.

68

Joseph M.

Fischer

12001 - “it will happen someday" strong for DP

169

Adam

Koenig

19/25/14 Kate Miller and Death Row Exoneree Gary Drinkard
met with State Representative Adam Koenig NO VOTE ON
ABOLITION

Met for around an hour, talked about a number of issues.

He is supportive of the death penalty but said he was
surprised to find how much common ground we were able to
identify. He said he was also surprised by how reasonable we
seemed to be on the issue.

[Cost did not come up till the end of the conversation and he
said that this was very compelling to him and his constituents.
[This is something that should be further explored.i,- He will
not vote to abolish the death penalty but said he would be
interested in some other legislative action dealing with the
issues with the death penalty. He had also had issue with
legislative fiscal analysis and thought that there should be a
more robust financial analysis done.

70

John

Sims Jr.

13/8/17 - Eklund, VonAllmen report he is a strong yes for
abolition. Could use constituent calls

lHelering report differs from above. Not sure what date Bobby
met with him. non-committal; doesn't seem to have ever
jthought about the issue; seems reluctant to discuss for some
reason; nice guy; | think he'll be in this seat for awhile; we
might want to see if we know anybody in his area that he
|would trust implicitly and might be persuaded by; he lives in
Fleming County and also represents Mason, Robertson, and
Bracken counties. If we have folks in those anonymous areas,
I'll really be impressed!

71.

R. Travis

Brenda

$500 from Lonnie Napier who is an abolitionist.

172

Matthew

Koch

73,

Les

Yates

74

David

Hale

Miriam told her story and concluded with something along
the lines of 4€oeno one should be killedae?l, he pushed back a
bit and said 4€ceyou canae™t convince me that there .
larenae™t SOME people who deserve it, la4€™m sorryae?. A He
lwas very interested in John Stopherae™s story and really
perked up when John told him that he had a son on death row
land that he used to support the death penalty. A He loved
hearing from Luke (Miriamae™s 13 year old son), who talked
labout how either way, he doesnae™t have a grandpa and
lhow the death penalty would never bring him any closure or
lfix that fact. A | replied to his comment about who
la€cedeservesae” the death penalty and gave him the talking
points we usually do about how this isnae™t about what the
person who definitely did it deserves, itae™s about a broken
public policy and you canae™t trample over the innocent to
lexecute the guilty (Kirkae™s words, | love them).

jThen Hale tells us this story of how he was friends with a guy
|whose wife was brutally raped and murdered, how that guy
land the victimae™s father had tried on two occasions during
the trial to sneak a gun into the courtroom to kill the alleged
murderer. A His friend and frienda€™s father in law,were
thwarted on both attempts, the alleged murderer goes to jail
(and had received the death penalty) and within six months
gets killed by another inmate. A Hale is CONVINCED that they
took a hit out on him. A He says his first thought was
aecegood ae’), like justice was served. A But Haleae™s pretty
quiet while heae™s telling us this and he says it feels like
lhea€™s in a confession 4€cebecause now | realize how wrong
it was for me to think 4€” goodae™ when | found out about
that man. A That man was murdered. A And | think | know
|who the murderer is, and heae™s walking free and probably
lwonae™t ever go to jail for it.a€?!

A Miriam said afterward that it felt like church in there at that
point in the conversation and | agree. A It felt real churchy.
A It ended with him saying he didnae™t think he was

175,

Kelly

Flood

76

Ruth Ann

Palumbo

Solid supporter of death penalty. Leave her alone.

177

George

Brown

Rep. Brown (2/11/15) (Meeting lasted for 25 minutes,
Shekinah Lavalle and Mike VonAllmen) Rep Brown is still
lopposed to the death penalty. A He thinks we make mistakes
land that the system is racially and otherwise biased. A He
sounded like he might co-sponsor the cost study, but | think
lheade™II need a reminder. A Hede™s a definite aeceyesae?|
vote, though.

78

Mark

Hart

13/1/17 Eklund, VonAllmen, Griffith, Delahanty report that he
is supportive and potential co-sponsor; could use some follow
lup and constituent calls.

13/12/14 Representative Susan Westrom a€“ met with Sabrina
Porter and Kate Miller 4€“ leaning towards yes. KCADP was
unable to schedule a meeting with Representative Westrom
in advance but upon entering the Annex we ran into
Representative Westrom who invited us to her office.

She was very welcoming and eager to hear Sabrinaae™s story.
She also took the time to share some her own story. What it
Iwas like being a single mom, what her relationship was like

79 Susan [Westrom lwith her only daughter. Representative Westrom also took
some time to talk to us about issues that are important to her
including the smoking ban and domestic violence and human
trafficking in particular. She was warm and sweet. She allowed
lus to take a picture an also had her staff person take a
picture. Sabrina shared her story and Representative
|Westrom listened and asked good questions. She seemed to
be touched by Sabrinaae™s story and said that ultimately, if
this came to a vote she believes she would vote in favor of
abolition.

80 David Meade Met with Kate and Mike on 3/20/14, no results

84 Deanna Frazier She put $97,000 personal money in this race; the Party put
192,000.

182 Regina Bunch

83 Meffrey H. Hioever 1999 = said he supported dp; now, not sure; 4/2014 closer to
abolition

184. Chris Fugate

85 [Tommy Turner Listens to Tom Handy

186 Jim Stewart III Probably hopeless.

Dec 2019 - Heleringer: right now supports DP, but has an

87 [Adam Bowling lopen mind; showed up at our event in Frankfort; genuinely
interested; Bob believes he will come over to our side.

88 Cherlynn Stevenson Democrat
Bob reported he is a strong supporter of execution, but sees

89 Robert \Goforth some small connection between his "prolife" convictions and
Ithis issue.

190 Derek Lewis \Told VoteSmart he supports death penalty

94. Cluster Howard Democrat

192

John

Blanton

lHeleringer met and says: former state cop; very, very religious
Iman; has a Bible on his desk; not with us yet, but willing to
talk; despite his law enforcement background, seems willing
|to dialogue and to do so seriously, not just going through the
motions (see Fischer, Joe); already enjoys enormous respect
lin the House both within and without his caucus, again, that's
Imy impression but have picked up those vibes about him by
[talking to people and watching their reactions when he says
something in committee or on the floor --- old habit of mine.
Represents eastern Ky's Knott, Magoffin, and a small part of
Pike counties.

193,

Chris

Harris

Rep. Harris Ben, Joyce A 15min - Rep Harris took a while to
labsorb why we were there. A He took some notes of some
statistics on the use of DP nationally. A He seemed not to
know about the ABA report. A He asked how many executions
|there have been in Kentucky. A Finally, when asked if he was
lgoing to support 203, he made some reference to being a
Democrat and that he was going to support this bill. He was
hopeful that a vote would be taken and that the bill would
reach the floor. A A He appreciated our visit, noting that many
|times he gets paid lobbyists and that just didnae™t mean as
much at all compared to people coming with deep
Iconvictions. A He asked us if we could take a picture with him
|to post on his Facebook page.

194

[Angie

Hatton

Bentley, Eklund, Rose, Delahanty met on 2/28/17 and report
she is supportive; not sure what her district thinks; needs
lconstituent support; opeds in local papers.

lHeleringer also met with her: asst. county attorney;
prosecutor; which usually means bad news for us, but she,
too, will listen (she says); wants to see how many House
IGOPers would vote for abolition; not sure why that is
significant for her; very pleasant woman, know you have had
more dealings with her than | have; have also recently
\developed a professional relationship with her law office in
|Whitesburg, she's been handling a few civil matters for my
law partner down there; will use this relationship to our
ladvantage when the time comes.

195,

|Ashley Tackett

Laferty

Democrat. Campaign contribution from Ned Pillersdorf; 2,000
Darryl Issacs.

196 Kathy Hinkle Democrat.
197 Bobby McCool
198 Danny Bentley
. Spoke with Al Bennett, pro-dp, got a new prison in Elliott
bad Rocky Adkins "we're showing we're serious about crime"
100 [Terri Branham Clark Democrat. D Isaacs donated 2,000.

IAs of this date, January 6, 2019, we have 31 YES votes (a few
lare iffy); we have 46 other persons (moveable plus unknown)
from whom we need to pick up 29 votes to bring us to 60, a
Icushion we need to pass this bill.

[Abolish |Keep |Movable |Unknown |NEXT STEPS TOWN IST
4 Visit with victim family Paducah KY
member.

1 Mayfield KY
4 Paducah KY
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1 Victim family member is key Murray Ky

Ito next visit.
4. Benton KY

[Owensboro KY
|Get Miriam Hopkinsville KY
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Mike VonAllmen needs to be

in next meeting with him. Hardinsburg Ky
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Don't approach him again. Elizabethtown —|KY
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KY

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Let's see if he will cosponsor

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|Get Floyd involved if there is

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