All right.
This is an interview with Tina Adler in Washington.
And this is October 20th, 2008.
Let us start by me asking a little bit about yourself.
What do you do for a question?
I'm a freelance reporter and writer.
And I write about health and science.
Oh, right.
I work about Alzheimer's that is published in this program.
Yeah.
Just got reviewed by the Wall Street Journal.
Oh.
Yeah.
I wrote it with two researchers.
So I was just, I was the writer.
It's called the writer.
And so, and otherwise you do a journalistic work,
who are you essentially producing books?
No, I mainly do news stories and feature stories.
And again, what did you say for which papers?
Well, I wrote, I write for anyone who will pay me.
Almost.
So I'm freelance, which means I have different clients.
And right now, my main client, I for their health,
that's all.
Did you get into it?
I finally went to work on a newspaper.
And I like it.
Which one?
The Burlington Free Press.
And Burlington, Vermont.
Oh, I see.
That's right.
And that was OK.
But then I decided my real interest was health and science.
So I went to journalism school for health and science.
Where?
Columbia.
In New York.
OK.
And your brother?
So Ken is a economist for the Environmental Protection Agency.
And he went to graduate school.
Just years of lawyer.
Uh-huh.
Oh, I see.
And then in terms of ages, who is the oldest?
My sister is the oldest.
And she's six years older than me.
Oh, at least so we have some background.
And then about how much repeat yourself.
This doesn't matter.
Too much.
So how much does your knowledge of your family go back?
Really just to my grandparents.
I don't know anything about my great grandparents.
Yeah.
So say again, say the name of your grandfather.
It was Friedrich and Adler and Wally, that's his wife.
Oh, yeah.
So and he was born 1888.
I guess.
That's the term.
Yeah.
You know more now than I do.
OK.
So and he also came to this country.
And so do you know any bits?
What was he doing professionally?
So he and his wife were both doctors.
And my grandmother.
What kind of doctor?
He was an internist.
And he was a family practitioner.
And my grandmother, Wally, was a pediatrician.
Because that's the only kind of doctor that the women were
allowed to be.
Oh, yeah.
This goes back a long time, yeah.
And my grandmother, Wally, was the first woman
to graduate from Heidelberg University, the prominent medical
school in Germany.
Yeah.
So you've seen what year do you remember?
I don't know.
But probably in around 19, 20 or so.
Yeah, must have been.
Because my dad was born in 22, actually, in 21.
So it had to be before then.
Yeah, it must have been right.
And were they also publishing doctors?
Yeah, I don't think they did research.
I think they probably just saw patients.
I know that my dad, my grandfather, had a practice in his home.
In his home where?
In my end, I guess.
And then they moved to Cologne.
Cologne.
Cologne, yeah.
And so I guess his office was probably
in their office in Cologne.
And the office was downstairs, and they
residents was upstairs.
And when your grandfather came to this country, what
was he able to do?
So he studied for his and got his license to practice here.
And he had an office on Park Avenue in New York.
And when did he come to this country?
Do you remember the dates or anything like this,
or at least the year?
Well, so my dad was about 16, and he was born in 22.
So it must have been about 38.
They were preparing for this move for a long time.
May of the 37.
It came over.
What makes you say how come you know
that they were preparing for the move?
Well, we were always told the story
about how they got out of Germany, how they succeeded
to get out of that.
Give me some details.
Do you want to know the story?
Oh, yes, no, no, definitely.
OK.
So first of all, my grandfather was a prominent doctor,
and he treated the Nazis.
And he had...
You mean after 1933?
I don't know the exact year.
But so they had a sense that things were going bad for the Jews,
obviously.
And they shipped money out of the country, first of all.
That's how they protected their wealth.
And they also sent my dad to England, to boarding school.
And then the other...
But the way they really were protected
is that my grandfather was treating one of the prominent Nazis
for Cifilis.
Oh.
Yeah.
And so he...
So was your grandfather a dermatologist?
No, he was a doctor.
He was just a family doctor.
And so he had the colonel said, if you don't tell my wife,
because his wife obviously got Cifilis too,
but he got it from his prostitute.
So it's kind of a bad story.
But so my grandfather made a deal with him.
I won't tell your wife what I'm treating her for.
If you tell me when my name comes up...
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
And so the agreement was, when the weather gets bad,
that means that you better leave.
Uh-huh.
And this was all taking place in Cologne.
Right.
Yeah.
And so they got the phone call.
The weather's getting bad.
And my parents packed them up.
The story goes that the father wanted to move to Rhodesia.
And the mother said, nope, we're going to New York.
And they went to England.
But really, what they did is they said
they were going to go visit my dad for vacation in England.
And that they would be coming back.
But they weren't going to come back.
Yeah, of course not.
And so they went to England and they got my dad.
Yeah.
Did they have any difficulties in getting the passport?
No.
I think permission.
Yeah.
So they had that wheel was grease for them
because of this part of this arrangement.
So they didn't have trouble getting out of Germany.
But as far as I know, my aunt may remember something more
that I don't know about.
But this is the story, as I was told,
it by my parents, by my dad.
And the problem was when they got to, when they got my dad,
then they went to Switzerland.
And at some point, they had trouble getting out of the country
because my dad had had TB.
And it looked on his long ex-rays
that his health still wasn't quite right.
It was really just old scars and his health was fine.
So they were finally able to get out of Europe
and they came to it.
And you said out of Europe, meaning out of Europe?
So it got a Switzerland.
Well, it was either last stop, I think,
with Switzerland.
But it was either getting into Switzerland
or getting out of Switzerland, I'm not sure.
So he went to school in Switzerland also.
Which where was he first?
In England.
So, and I may have, it should be in this document,
but this is to the next one.
Oh, I see.
Remember that's good enough.
Yeah, yeah.
And then they, he went to Switzerland.
And then his parents came to Switzerland.
I think, like, okay, I'm not quite sure.
This is where I get kind of confused.
I think he went to school in Switzerland.
But I think that he must have been in London.
I think he was in England when they went to pick him up.
And then maybe they went to Switzerland for a while.
I'm not sure about all that.
And how did they, or how did he get out of Switzerland?
I don't know.
By what method?
Oh, they took a boat to, I mean, obviously.
Well, not from Switzerland.
So they must have gone to France.
To start by train, I guess.
By train to France?
Yeah, but this is, I would just be guessing now.
I know they came over on a boat.
And you don't know whether they came from France
or whether they came from Spain?
Not Spain or Portugal.
I know that they were, was England or Switzerland or France.
I'm not sure which country they actually left from.
But maybe it's passport with all of that.
Oh, I see.
So as far as your father and his parents leaving Europe,
his passport does not really explain that very well.
By the way, does anyone in the family
have the passport of his father?
I see.
Because this should be very fireable somehow.
Where, you know, from what country they left.
So then they came by boat maybe from Italy, maybe from France,
or maybe from Belgium.
Yeah, not in the NATO.
Yeah, oh, I see.
All right.
To the US.
Where did they land?
So they came to New York.
And it was in April, 1937.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know that.
Did you see any other dates?
OK.
All right.
So how was their first year?
Did they have any connections here?
Well, see, I think Tom first helped them.
I think that's his parents.
Oh, his parents?
Yes.
Oh, I see.
OK.
OK, that makes sense.
So when did the parents of Tom Hersfeld came to the US?
I don't know.
They were the point is they were here.
Yes.
And were able to help out.
OK.
All right.
So how was the first year, the first period?
You know, I know there wasn't any real discussion
about it except for my dad, my grandfather.
My grandfather would work at the kitchen table.
And he wouldn't even get dressed.
He would work in his pajamas to get his license.
He's very hard.
Oh, huh.
So they arrived here in 1937.
He studied a great deal, passed his exams.
Yeah.
And then what did he practice?
I'm part of the address.
Oh, you're embedded in the address?
Part of it.
Yeah, say it again.
983 part out of you.
Oh, huh.
Oh, that's a good address.
How did he manage that?
They did.
Oh, I see.
I see.
You mentioned that they sent some money before coming.
Oh, I see.
Because many, any grays did it much too late.
Yeah.
And they really could not take any money out.
Oh, I see.
That's an interesting question.
So did they do well financially or well enough?
Yes.
And not with money that he earned here in the US, in New York,
but with money that they transferred beforehand.
Well, I know that he had a practice here also.
So I don't know how I know.
Yeah, they had money that they were able to talk to me
from me from Germany and to form in upstate New York.
And quite well, because I hear stories
where things did not go so well.
No, he did very well.
Right.
My dad was always wealthy.
What was the first school your father attended?
I think it was course, man.
Oh, yeah.
We saw the cards for that.
And then, so this was what?
What does this represent?
His finishing of high school?
Yes.
And so he was under 17.
Yeah.
He started.
I think he started Harvard, I mean, at Cornell,
when he was about, what's up?
Oh, now it started again.
This is bad.
All right.
Yeah.
So, and then how did he transfer from Cornell to Harvard?
Well, he went to Harvard on the GI Bill
and got his JB Trump.
It stops when we stop speaking, because it's on voice.
When you said that you went to Harvard
after getting back from the Army,
so we are missing some years.
Right.
He went to, I know he went to Cornell for undergraduate.
And then I think he also got his master's degree
or a business degree.
I'm not sure which.
At Cornell.
I think it was at Cornell, yeah.
And it would say in his curriculum
detail, which somebody has.
Yeah.
And then how did he get into the Army?
Was he drafted?
He was drafted, yeah.
I'm pretty sure he was drafted.
As an MA from Cornell.
Well, I'm pretty sure that's when he was, right.
I think that's when he went after his master's degree.
It would, again, as VTA would probably make that.
Yeah, all right.
And then, so what did he tell you, if anything,
about his war experience?
Well, he said that basically he did the thinking part.
He didn't have to do any of the soldier part.
And that he figured out where you should
plant the bombs in Germany.
And also, then I remember.
So what's he abroad?
I think at some point he was abroad.
I'm not really sure.
I know he did his basic training here in this country.
And, of course.
Yeah.
And I don't know where he was stationed after that.
So you can't add anything else about his years in the Army.
No, but again, I'm sure it's written.
And now, I'm not sure.
Oh, OK.
All right.
And then, when did he come out?
I don't know what year.
But it was at the end of the war.
I don't know whether his service was up before them.
Or I just know that you went to Harvard.
And there weren't many people whose age and Harvard at that time.
Me most of them were?
I guess either.
I don't know.
Yeah, they were mostly younger, right?
And so that's how partly how he met his mom.
My mom was at Radcliffe on the GI bill.
Also, she was a volunteer for the war.
And so that's how they met.
She was at Radcliffe and he was at Harvard.
Oh, I see.
Were they the same age?
Sure.
Was one year age difference.
Also, she was in what kind of service during the war?
The wax.
Oh, I see.
All right.
So we are now in after the war in the 1940s.
When did they get married?
Let's see.
They got married the year before my sister was born.
I was born in 58.
So they got married, I guess, 51.
Because I was born in 58.
She's six years older than me.
So she was born in 52.
So it left to been 51.
And then, how did things progress?
So they moved to Washington, D.C.
How come?
Because my dad got a job at the Bureau of the Budget.
And he worked there for, I think, maybe six years.
And then he got a job at the World Bank.
And he was worked with Ted Sorenson at the Bureau of the Budget.
And he met Kennedy.
He met John Kennedy.
And he worked in Washington.
He was a field bureau of the Budget Building, which is now, I think, OMB.
And a beautiful old building.
And they didn't have air conditioning.
And then he took a job at the World Bank, I think,
largely because he loved travel.
He had a suit passion for travel.
Oh, I see.
When did he start all this traveling?
He never didn't travel.
Even during his summers, during his vacation,
he'd always get some friends.
They went to car, they'd go off on road trips when he was in college.
He traveled all the time.
But I'm thinking of traveling back to Europe.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I know he, they had, for work, he traveled mainly when he was at the World Bank.
But I'm sure he took trips for other reasons for vacation.
So what year did he start the World Bank?
You don't know the exact year.
Join the World Bank in 1961.
OK.
And so what kind of travel do you recall him mentioning?
Where was he?
Well, he went to Brazil.
He did a lot of work in Brazil on there.
How was his Portuguese?
Eventually, it was fine.
All his languages were the master at languages.
And he was very, very good with languages.
He could speak French, or a time in German, and taught himself Russian, so he could go to Russia.
And I know he traveled.
He worked a lot in Brazil.
He worked a lot in Argentina.
This is early on.
He worked also in Japan.
And those were all assignments?
Yeah, assignments.
And they literally put out the red carpet.
Then he took my mom to Japan with him for that trip.
Every few years, he's the wife could go on trips.
You would collect enough points, and then you could bring your wife.
And they literally rolled out the red carpet from my dad.
So you're remembering that story?
Yeah.
And he also traveled to Japan on his own.
Yeah.
So what was his particular expertise?
Well, he was an economist.
And the World Bank, obviously, is international aid and development.
He had a lot of, back then, you used to sort of move around.
I mean, the World Bank was much smaller.
And so for a while, I know he did a lot of transportation issues.
He also worked in Africa quite a bit.
So throughout his long career, he had many different areas of expertise.
So till what year did he work?
Till he was 65, and then he went, well, no, probably till he was about in his 70s, really.
Because he retired.
They required you to retire when you were 65.
But then they kind of let you work as a consultant.
Oh, yeah.
And so he worked as a consultant for many years.
And he enjoyed it very much.
And he worked on analysis of the World Bank.
So you do assess how is the World Bank doing?
We're sort of checking on the monies which they...
It's sort of project analysis.
So analyzing is the World Bank doing its projects correctly?
Are they doing a good job at what they're supposed to be doing?
And it was upper level.
Is the senior level, and it's where a lot of them are senior level entirely.
Yeah, so his specialty to come back to them one point would be what?
The checking of...
Yeah, the special team was economics.
And so...
That's still very broad.
I know, but maybe my brother would be able to answer that question better.
So at one point I know it was transportation.
And that's what he wrote his book on.
But it wasn't always just transportation, it was value.
And then again, one small back to the point.
Which countries would you spend most of this time?
You know, it really, he spent a lot of time in Africa and in the 70s.
Or when in the 60s, 70s?
Well, probably it was only came back from Pakistan.
So this is 70s, I would think.
Maybe part of the 80s too.
But no, 70s is particularly...
Let's see, if he retired when he was 65.
So he retired.
Yeah.
Yeah, so, oh my god, he retired at 85.
So actually, I think Africa would have been at 80s then.
Uh-huh.
And then how much effort on his part was invested in South America?
Well, that was early on.
That was when I was like, I was like, yeah.
And then they didn't do as much in South America.
Yeah, then it only with some more detail on Russia.
So he...
For what reason did he grow?
Just his own curiosity.
He was a very intellectually curious person.
And he was interested in Russia and he taught himself Russian.
He had a Russian teacher and he went and he talked to people.
And his article was published.
He wrote about it and it was published in...
I think he was using a little bit for it.
Uh-huh.
And that is floating around from place to place.
Uh-huh.
Oh, okay.
Did he do anything in terms of his employment in Russia?
No, it was just...
He just took vacation there.
Uh-huh.
You know, the World Bank, they had great benefits.
It's a working year.
Well, actually, you know, that may have been in between.
He may have actually done that.
Well, because he may have done that when he was at the Bureau of the Budget.
Okay.
So, okay.
So that was more or less for his own enjoyment, although he wrote about this.
And but the others were assignments.
Yeah.
So Africa, South America.
Yeah.
How about Europe?
He didn't work in Europe.
He just traveled there for vacation.
Yeah.
How about right after the war or as a continuation of its service?
He didn't you say that he wasn't in Germany?
Yeah.
So he went and went...
When?
I don't know the year, um, but roughly.
Yeah, I don't know.
Before he was married?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, I see.
So he was in Taiwan.
Yeah.
And he helped the economy, you know, he helped rebuild the banking system.
Um, so he was an advisor on that.
To whom?
So, I must have been the German government, but I don't really know.
Or I must have been the US.
I remember we saw that piece of paper that had that from when he was writing letters.
Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, that's right.
That's a 1946, 48.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I see.
And so that must have been...
It looks like just about his earliest assignments.
Well, that wasn't with the World Bank.
You know, that was...
Right.
That was the...
Yeah.
So...
That was to been before the, you know, the World Bank, I guess.
Yeah, but with the military government in general.
Yeah.
Because it was so early.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Or the World Bank.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
All right.
How about some new questions if you'd recall anything?
What were some of his closest associates of friends?
Well, he played tennis, and so he was friends with a variety of people from the...
Yeah.
But anyone in particular?
Nobody who really comes to mind.
I mean, he had friends like Dick Palmer was one of his best friends later in his life.
Bob Aaron Fell.
Yeah, yeah.
And, and, and, and, Palmer, what was he?
Um, you know, he...
In the letter that my, that Dick Palmer wrote to the memorial service.
He talks about where they...
I guess they overlapped it to St. Johnnie, he said, and also at the World Bank.
Oh, yes, that's right.
Yeah.
And, um, he was...
My dad's best man at his wedding was a guy named Bob Aaron Fell.
Oh.
And he...
I don't...
He had a factory.
I think he became very wealthy.
And my...
Well, he also had an enemy green?
I don't know.
I would...
I just don't know.
He, um, had a...
I know he had a factory.
I think he had a factory in Wilmington, um, that he was wealthy.
And my aunt's too was just saying that he lived in Greenwich Village.
But he's most of all so rich in Wilmington.
Um, my dad has...
My dad is very social.
And he likes people a lot.
Um, you know, George Oxley was the telephone repairman who he played tennis with.
And, uh, so that's how he was, you know, he had...
That's a different off-sides.
Um...
I mean, more professionals?
Yeah, yeah.
I just don't...
Um, well, there was...
I don't even remember the guy's name.
There was another John Adler, believe it or not.
And he eventually changed his name.
Well, he was Han Dagger and he changed his name to John Adler.
And he worked at the World Bank.
And they were Molly's.
And...
Also in Emmy Gray?
I...
I don't know.
Oh, I want to.
And, um, really, uh, with Sturkins, he was really good friends with the Serpent.
Which Serpent, uh, the pianist?
No, no.
He wasn't...
He wasn't friends with famous people.
He was just friends with his colleagues from the bank.
People who liked to play tennis.
He wasn't a, um...
Well, Martin Feinstein was the director of the Kennedy Center Opera House.
And they...
My mom was really good friends with his wife.
And so they were friends socially, you know?
Um, the laymen.
But they didn't know really famous people that I knew of.
Unless they were...
Uh-huh.
Okay.
Yeah.
So, I think I've probably asked you enough of...
His friends as much as you can produce.
Uh-oh.
Okay.
What about, uh, his...
When he retired?
What he did to do that?
So he worked as a consultant until he became basically kind of too ill, you know, to do it.
And...
So we're talking about the late 80s?
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He died in, um...
He died in 2005.
But he got...
He got six starting in 2000.
Um, so pretty much everything at...
No, 2000, yeah.
Everything after 2000, either set or...
Yeah, so how did things go?
So you and your brother took care of him?
Uh-huh.
Where?
Well, he stayed in his home in the claim until...
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
Until he became too ill and we had to move him to a...
facility.
He developed Alzheimer's.
Um...
What happened to your mother?
To his wife?
She stayed in the house, um, until she got to set, and then she moved to a smaller house,
and then she died in her home in 2006.
Oh, so it's very recent.
Uh-huh.
I see.
Yeah.
So tell me a little bit about him while he was getting sick.
Was he still able to try to work?
Yeah.
Well, he didn't really...
Well, okay.
Yeah, he did try to work.
Um, he probably started with his heart.
He had to have open heart surgery, and he never really recovered from that.
He had many, many complications, and it was just...
Roughly what year was this surgery?
So it was in 2000.
Oh, as major as that.
Yeah, he had a passion for the Elder Hockstaff.
You know those...
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
So he was in Italy on an Elder Hockstaff and he got sick.
He just felt he wasn't having energy, and they did some tests, and it turned out that he had the heart condition, and he had to have surgery.
So this was late in his life?
Mm-hmm.
It was a great life.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
Now it's...
So coming back to a few more questions.
So let's say John Kenneth Goldbrane is...
Uh...
The doctors must have been doing the Second World War.
Right, afterwards, right?
When he worked on the...
Was it when he worked on the banking?
Yeah, and yeah, that's right.
They did the...
He was the boss for the banking, for reestablishing the banking in Germany, right?
You mean Goldbrane?
Yeah.
Oh, I see.
I see.
I think he worked for him.
Uh-huh.
Okay, so he was also...
It says here with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
Dad was, yeah, briefly.
Yeah, also briefly.
I see.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
Um...
I remember.
I remember.
Yeah.
So you said that he spoke very highly of the admired Goldbrane for what?
In particular.
Well, he agreed with the economic carries, and he also said,
I know.
That's about all I remember is that he just really admired him, and he liked his books.
Did he...
Did they publish something together?
No.
Oh, maybe the documents from the banking project, you know, from when they were reestablishing
the banking.
These are the questions my brother knows, much better than I.
Uh, okay.
He had a teacher.
He had some interesting teachers at Harvard, and he remade friends.
There was some prominent economic economist whose daughter really made friends with, but I can't even remember names.
Uh, Harvard.
Yeah.
Yeah, she stayed, uh, so, anyway.
He did know a few prominent people, and he does.
Yeah, yeah.
He does say something about his social life to work with.
Well, he's a lot of people.
Yeah, they love to have parties.
Well, he loved to have parties.
And so, and he had a swimming pool.
So every other weekend in the summertime, they had a party.
And, uh, the people would come over for swimming in tennis.
He also had a tennis court.
He built a tennis court for himself.
Oh, you did do it right.
You did speak for four acres, so they did space.
Yeah, yeah.
And he was a fanatical tennis player.
Yeah, I got that.
And, uh, then, yeah, that lasted for a while when they got older.
And my mom got tired of it.
And then, uh, it means, you know, during the winter,
they would have been a party in the weekends.
Uh, when they went out on dates, they always had another couple.
And so that they, you know, they have some conversations.
Uh-huh.
All right.
Let's add the question about your father's health.
What kind of, uh, what operations did he have?
What kind of surgeries?
Well, when he was young, when he was a kid, he had a TV.
Actually, and he had, it was shipped off to the Black Forest.
Oh, yeah.
He lived there for a couple of years with a German family, a farm family,
who took care of him.
And, um, so that's when he always had a big scar on his neck.
And, uh, he used to tell, why?
Because that's how they, they operated back then if he had a TV.
I don't know what they were going for.
I mean, in some sort of surgery, and, um, uh, he used to say that he got it
from sort fighting for the ladies.
So, but his father really did sort of fight.
Actually, his father was in the military, and he was in the cavalry.
And if we have a picture of him, it's where there was a lot of hospital.
Uh-huh.
So you remember a few things.
I don't, I just thought it was a mixer, yeah.
And, um, it might be...
Do you get first word word?
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
My grandpa.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh-huh.
Oh, yeah.
Back to his surgeries.
So, later on, what kind of surgeries were there?
He had, um, a thousand here, uh, first heart.
And, uh, Michael Bell.
And, uh, then it was just one bad thing after another.
For a whole year, where he basically had bad responses to a couple of medications.
They didn't monitor.
But this was quite late in his life.
Very late.
Very late.
He had a fantastic life.
Uh-huh.
He lived a nice long life, and in the last few years were kind of rough.
But he always, uh, you know, he thankfully satisfied money for his old age.
So, he was able to pay for this.
Uh-huh.
So, how many years at the end was he sick?
For five years.
Oh, it was five years.
That's a long time.
So, he was sick physically in the beginning, and then he got better, but then his mind went.
So, he had Alzheimer's.
Uh-huh.
But he never was, his Alzheimer's, Alzheimer's is different for everybody, you know.
And his version was different than other people.
So, he didn't die about Alzheimer's.
Thank God.
He died in Florida from, um, uh, a virus.
He was pretty human, very young.
So, he had, so, yeah.
But he was always, he loved to talk.
He loved to go out.
He loved to do things right to the very end.
Uh-huh.
But he just couldn't remember what he said to me at the time.
Oh, yeah.
But he was still able to carry on a conversation.
So, yeah, just a lot of repetition.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, there's a lot of repetition.
But he could still tell you that he went to Harvard.
He was so proud of his education.
He knew where he was from.
He knew the names of his grandchildren.
So, he important things.
Uh-huh.
All right.
Thanks.
Thank you.
