Interview with Mr. Sir Burjit Bogard in New York City on May 22, 2000.
As I was saying, I would like to have from an authoritative source as many facts as possible
and you are really the best source available to us.
So proceeding chronologically, I know about the birth year of your father.
What was date? August 11th.
August 11th, yeah.
I believe it was 93.
Yeah.
1893.
Now a little bit about his background and his family.
Where was he born?
He was born in Vienna.
Right downtown or the outskirts, you know where?
8th district.
Oh 8th district.
I believe that's where he came from.
That's good enough.
Yeah.
And his family on fathers and mothers side, what did they come from?
His father was Czechoslovakian and his mother was Hungarian and that was the Austrian Hungarian
and FI, under French Joseph, so that it was one country.
Yeah.
So in other words, and as far as you know, did his parents meet in Vienna?
That I don't know.
Okay.
We're just following up as much as I can.
So in other words, do you know from which town his father came and his mother?
No, I do.
Anyway, Czech and Hungarian.
Right.
My grandparents.
Yeah, all right.
Now, how about his education?
Was it all of it in Vienna starting with grade school as far as you can remember?
Don't know.
And university by that time?
No university, I don't think.
Because he went to university here and he could have done it twice.
He could have done it again.
I don't think so.
But I don't know.
So he was 21 by the time first World War broke out.
Right?
Was he drafted?
Yes.
So he was in the Austrian Australian Army?
He was in the, what do you call it?
The horses.
vocabulary?
Yeah, he was an officer in the capital.
And my son has his medals.
He got a number of medals.
Do you have, who I see?
Do you have any other documents from his early life?
No, I only have the medals.
For the medal.
I verified in, with Vienna and the library.
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
And they were for outstanding service.
Service at the front.
Was he wounded?
Did he come out all right?
He is orderly, a poor cow-water over his leg.
That's all?
That's all?
Yes.
So no wounds, the, well, he had a burnt leg.
Yeah.
But not from bullets.
No, I see.
Did he ever, do you remember him speaking to you about his first World War experience?
No, only that he was on the horse.
Oh, I see.
So he came out in one piece.
He was wounded and this was 1918.
I guess so.
And he came back to Vienna, soon.
I assume don't forget my parents were at the horse for another two.
I never knew my father.
Well, I'm really asking for things you might still remember from here, say, in fact.
But I mean, still it.
It's something that puts a frame on it.
So from what might you recall about his 1920s, besides the fact that he published his
expressionist, Lerick poetry at that time.
I don't know anything about that.
So what sort of the last thing you remember about your father?
That when I was six years old, my mother put me on the train to Berlin, where he was married
with his second wife.
And that's the first time I met my father.
Oh, really?
When you were six.
So he was then divorced from your mother.
Whenever, too.
When you were two.
Of course, that's asking too much to remember.
So you grew up with your mother and at the age of six, we put on the train to Berlin.
And that's the first time I saw him.
And did you then live with your father and his second wife?
Only for a month.
And then came back to your mother?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I see.
I see.
I see.
Well, the problem.
And then so we are now talking what, shortly after 1930 or around 2009.
Processing.
What?
29.
What?
29.
And he worked for OJ then.
OJC.
As what?
I imagine an editor.
An editor.
He did not necessarily write regularly for a newspaper.
As I don't know.
Oh, okay.
Good enough.
You mentioned that your father was married three times, did not recall exactly all the names,
but give me the exact name and the maiden name of your mother.
Oh, her name was Bertha, B-E-R-T-H-A.
You're Freudian.
J-E-F-R-O-Y-K-I-N.
And you said that she came or her family came from Latia?
Or from Latia?
Yes.
Or I see.
When did she arrive in Vienna?
Because I assume your parents met in Vienna?
They did.
Yeah.
And must have been right after the First World War.
They met in the cafe center where all the literary people come out.
And shortly after he returned from the war, must have been.
I assume so.
Or all right.
It must have been, yes.
Yes.
You can almost narrow it down.
All right.
And then how about your mother's family?
Did she have the whole family in Vienna?
Did she end up in Vienna by herself?
How?
My mother came to Vienna when it must have been bad for Jewish people to live in Russia or a life.
Which probably all was run shortly after the First World War.
Yes.
They all moved to Berlin.
She had four sisters and two brothers.
Your mother?
Yes.
And they all went to Berlin?
Not all.
One brother went to Paris.
And one brother came to New York.
But your father and your mother met in Vienna in the cafe center.
So she was there on a visit?
No.
She went to live there.
Oh, I see.
Because you said the rest of the day.
Yes, because the rest of the family you said was in Berlin.
Right.
All right.
Okay.
That's straightens that out.
And then when was his second?
So he divorced your mother?
I have a divorce.
When he was two.
So what year was that?
25.
25.
So the middle of the 20s.
So I was 12.
Yeah.
The problem.
Well, this is as good as we can let go.
And then when did he...
So at that time was he still in Vienna?
I don't know what...
What he had left for Berlin.
I think he left for Berlin.
And he met...
But I never saw him again.
Oh, I see, of course.
And the second...
His second wife, he must have met in Berlin.
Probably.
What do you remember his father's names?
I was concerned.
Only her first name, Hannah.
Of course.
Because she became Hannah Andre.
Yes, of course.
Yeah.
All right.
And they were married again for several years.
Short time.
Not very long.
I don't know.
We were divorced before 1933 or before 1938?
I think before...
Before, I think.
33.
During this time.
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
Okay.
And how about...
Or I see.
And then his third marriage was in this country.
All right.
Banking up again.
What were his circumstances or what have been doing as far as you have heard or remember?
Well, in 1933, what had you heard about his...
Because he obviously had to leave Berlin.
Well, he was in Saxony House in concentration.
Right away.
I think so.
Because if I remember correctly, when he came out of the concentration camp, he moved to Vienna.
Uh-huh.
And what would you guess how long was he there a year or something like that?
I don't think it was terribly long, but I don't know.
Why was he...
What did you hear about his being put into a cut set?
In a particular political reason.
The only thing he told me is that a long Jew helped him to get out.
That's the only thing he ever told me.
So I didn't even write a relatively short time in Saxony House.
I went to Vienna and stayed in Vienna for...
Came to Vienna, I think.
Yeah, I don't know.
Because he...
He must have come to Vienna before the Anschluss.
Yes, of course.
Yeah.
And then I saw quite a bit of that.
Oh, you saw you there?
Yes.
I visited my mother.
So you were then 10, 11, 12?
Yeah.
Did he see your mother too?
Yes.
If you became a visit.
Yes.
I can't...
Was there...
The relationship between your parents improved somewhat since she was visiting?
What do you know about him doing?
What was he doing in Vienna?
How did he stay alive professionally?
Well, I think this is where he...
The picture of the film.
I think...
Oh, I see.
I think he was involved in the movies.
During the 1930s in Vienna.
Yeah, because he always brought me movie, pictures of movie stars, those big ones.
And then the movie, which I loved, you know, great a goblin.
But the ones that are in the window, he would bring me.
Did he mention any other person that he knew or worked with, any producer,
something that...
Well, there was a personal relationship.
Well, why did it separate off from a coup?
Wasn't that filmed in Vienna?
I would have to check on it, I'm not sure.
And that was a millioning, for sure.
Yeah, I think that's the one.
And I think that is the picture we have.
That's right.
Yeah.
All right, I was just...
It's still sort of probing and see whether you remember.
And that he's dropping another name with whom he worked at that time.
No, he had a lot of women, friends.
A lot of producers, me...
No.
Okay, no.
Do you know about him leaving Vienna?
What were the circumstances?
I assume it was 1938.
All nine.
So he stayed after the night?
Well, we all stayed.
Right, you couldn't just get out, you know?
Well, some people tried to get out, but not immediately.
Uh-huh.
Well, that's right.
So it was on the one hand your father, on the other hand your mother and you.
Did you get out at the same time?
No, he got out before and went to England.
And you and your mother?
We got thanks to my mother's brother who lived in Paris and had a travel agency.
Oh, I see.
We got a visa for Uruguay on 24 hours in Paris, which was an extended.
When we got there, month by month, we had to go to the police station.
So which year, when did you leave the Vienna?
39.
39, you were still remember the day for the month?
I think it was March.
March 1939, but your father was gone by that time.
He was in England.
In England?
Yeah, okay.
And the plan was that he would get me into a school in England,
which my uncle paid my uncle had the travel agency.
The travel agency in Paris?
In Paris, yes.
And so your uncle, what was he, your...
Mother's brother?
Mother's brother.
Yeah.
The angel of the family.
He paid for everybody.
He was very written.
Oh, so he did well.
Yeah.
Okay.
And yeah, all right.
So and then from Paris, how you then got...
Well, then my father got me into a boarding school in England,
with my uncle's money, and paid for two years in boarding school.
And he was planning...
You were a teenager at that time.
Yeah.
That's about 15.
And he was planning...
He had arranged for my mother to become a librarian in the same school.
He was always good at arranging things.
Do you remember the school's name?
Oh, yes.
Talk of teeth.
Talk of teeth?
Teeth.
T-A-L-V-O-T-T-H-E-I-G-A-G.
And this wasn't the...
What, like a secondary school?
No, like a finishing school.
So, it's a public school, which means it's a private school.
Yes, you're...
I can move out of here.
Yeah.
Okay, then, tell me again, how did things go on with you and your mother,
and with your father?
I left alone for England to go to school.
Or from Paris, okay.
Yeah.
And my father picked me up.
In England?
Yeah.
My mother stayed behind and was supposed to join us...
And be a librarian in the school.
Yeah.
But when she went to the police stations, the Nazis took her and took her to Auschwitz.
They arrested her.
Did you ever see her?
Never.
Oh, my goodness.
She and her sister both went.
Were arrested and sent...
So, we are talking probably...
Well, what year was she picked up?
So, she waited too long in Paris, in a way.
Well, she waited for her visa to come to London.
But in the meantime, our...
The war broke out between France and Germany.
Yeah.
And we had to go to the police station every month.
We should not have gone to the police station once the Nazis marched in.
Oh, you know...
Because when she got there, she got arrested.
She and her sister got arrested.
She should not have gone.
That's what her other sister said.
What happened to that uncle?
He and his wife escaped to the South because of France.
And many people did that.
Right.
And they had a house in the border Boulin.
And they had a chauffeur.
And I think they lost it all during the Nazi.
They had an original shaggy.
I think it was all taken.
But they escaped.
Yeah, to follow them a little bit.
So they went down to the South and then they came to the US?
No, no.
Or what did they go?
They returned to France after the Nazis.
Oh, after the war.
But they stayed in the South of France until the end of the war.
Oh, they were trying to say that was not simple.
No, no.
So they had connections to be able to hide.
Well, their son was in the Marquis, the underground.
Oh, yeah.
My cousin.
And so, yeah, and so he helped save them.
Yeah, because the other two sisters were there.
And my cousin's ex-wife was his wife.
They were all hiding together somewhere.
Because that's a very long period.
That's several years.
Yes, they were hiding.
That's rather surprising that this was possible.
Because I never, or not, I'm not never,
but I very seldom heard of someone being able to walk around.
Well, maybe he threw my cousin being in the Marquis.
Oh, probably.
Yeah.
Okay, so that's that story.
And then they returned.
They returned and made, you know, continued their lives somewhat
and povered.
Of course, they did not travel.
They did not get back their property or anything like that.
Well, I think they got their house back.
But it was flooded by the Nazis.
But I don't really know the whole story,
except the travel agency is still in existence.
Totally.
Yes.
And when did this uncle die?
No.
He died maybe 20 years ago.
Okay, so that's that.
Okay, let's get back now.
So you mentioned about your mother before you to the police
and then being arrested and one of her sisters.
Yeah.
I see.
All right.
Now we have you in England and your father is in England.
He came to meet me.
I came alone by train by boat.
All right.
So, and then the next step, the US, I assume.
Well, the next step was that he took me to my boarding school
where he left me and he went to America before the war broke out.
So before 41?
Yeah.
1939 the war broke out in England.
Or you mean that early?
Yeah.
Because I was thinking and a new mother in the meanwhile
was still in France, must have been till 1940 in the summer or so
because the invasion of France was May 1940.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
So she stayed there really much too long.
Yes.
Well, it wasn't a question of she stayed too long.
The war broke out in England in August 1939.
There was no more chorus, Bondsons.
There was no way you could get anybody from France to England
and you couldn't write letters or telephone anymore
and the only way I communicated with her was through the Red Cross.
So the idea that she could come to England was finished.
So my father brought me to school and he left for America just before the war broke out.
I think that was before September 1939, not before May 1940.
No, no, no.
No.
No, you could no longer travel once the war broke out.
That was it.
You couldn't travel.
Well, the war still ships stormed to the US in 1940.
Of course, it was a lot of dangerous because some were going to assault.
But I need ships going to leave England.
Well, I think he was gone because I never saw him again.
All right, so he went to the US and as far as you know, he went to New York.
Right.
Yeah.
And then what, how did he survive, let's say financially?
Very badly.
Very badly.
Very badly.
Right.
So probably he was on welfare.
I want to see.
He couldn't write because he didn't speak English that well.
You know, he was not that young that you think of as well.
He was already lost.
Close to 50.
Right.
Yeah.
I see that's more difficult.
Yeah.
So what did he, what do you know, how did he sort of manage?
Well, when I came to America with $5 in my pocket, he said to me, there's nothing I can do to help you.
He better get a job because I have no money at all.
And you were about 17?
No, I was.
No, no, this must have been a terrible war.
46, yeah, I was 23.
Oh, I see.
I see.
So you stayed for two years in that school and what did you do the remaining years?
The remaining years I worked because as a matter of fact, my father had a cousin in England.
And we tried to erase some money for me to go on another year in school and go on to university, which I wanted to do.
Yeah.
And I was working in Cambridge with my friend from childhood.
We had an apartment together.
And we worked.
That's what we did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sure.
Yeah.
And then you came, what did you say, 46 to this country?
We were drafted in England because we had to either go into an army or into a factory.
And she worked as a dietician in the school, so she was exempt.
I worked in a factory in Cambridge where I had to stand on my feet for 50 hours and I got very sick.
So the doctor let me out and I worked in the town hall for a psychologist and for children's nurses.
And this was the whole war.
Yeah, so I built after the war.
46.
All right.
Then you came, what were the circumstances of your coming to this country?
I couldn't wait to come to America, the land of Pony and Rosa.
And I had saved up about $400.
And the first pan amtipra took, it cost $500.
And a kind patron gave me $100 from my stamp collection.
So I had $500 for my ticket and I flew to New York.
Actually I flew to Philadelphia with $5 in my pocket and my father met me.
I was going to ask, so you hooked up with him again, so to speak.
Right.
And so when did he get married again?
Oh, that much.
He lived in a roaming house.
In Philadelphia?
No.
In New York.
He just came to Philadelphia to meet me.
It just so happened to play in land of in Philadelphia.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
And he lived in a roaming house in New York where in the beginning I stayed with an uncle on the lower east side for about a week.
And then with circus daughter on Long Island, who I loved very much, my husband.
And then we said we're saying this is probably Otto Zoica, the writer.
And then I...
And so again, we do put these things together.
So Zoica's daughter was a friend of yours?
No, she was my first cousin.
Oh, I see.
Because Zoica was married to my father's sister.
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, all right.
So Doronel was the wife of Otto Zoica.
Oh, yeah, right.
Oh, okay.
I see.
There's a lot of those my first cousins.
Oh, I don't.
What happened?
What do you know about Otto Zoica?
What happened to him?
Did he go back to Austria?
I think he got very crazy at the end.
Before in this country.
No, in Vienna.
Also, he went back.
No, I don't think he ever left.
Oh, Otto Zoica did not leave.
I don't think so.
Because my mother used to say,
you see that man walking along that heavy star
that was Zoica.
I don't see all together.
But that was in Vienna still.
Yeah.
Oh, I see.
So he is out of the picture.
And Doronel came to America.
Her assistant, she lived here.
Where?
Somewhere on Riverside Drive.
But in New York City.
Yeah, I didn't like her.
Did she go back to the North Shore?
Or Zoica or Doronel?
I think Doronel.
Unless she was married to Henry Hedou at the Arco.
I think she...
No, no, I don't think so.
You know, maybe they just lived together.
But they were always together.
Oh, I see.
Then that's the hookup.
That's the question.
All right, I'm trying to get that all kind of straightened up.
All right.
Then let's go on chronologically.
Then what do you know of your father's doing?
How did he get into psychology and into psychology?
Well, he had no money.
He was living on welfare.
He was waiting at tables of Jewish weddings.
And then I don't know how, but he went to the new school to get his PhD.
Which by the time he must have been about 60 years old.
Right.
Oh, yes, well, because it makes sense.
It was.
Yeah.
Also, even that new school, did he speak of any of the faculty at the new school
with whom he was closely associated with?
No, but he...
I think he got his PhD at 65.
Yeah, you mentioned that, yeah.
Is it his machine?
Yeah, yeah.
And I said something about the New York Times really should hear about the fact
that at 65 you got your PhD and he said, no, no, nobody should know how I was by now.
Okay.
He didn't want that.
But you know, because I'm asking this, because the new school had very many prominent immigrants.
Yeah.
And that's why I asked whether he was talking about anyone in particular or anyone seminars,
because this is very early in the 1950s.
Did he ever mention any of the faculty?
No, but you see, I didn't see him very much.
Oh, I see.
I didn't see him very much.
First I lived in the roaming house where he lived.
Then I moved out as soon as I got enough money and moved in with a friend and turned a part.
But then you knew of the fact that you got his PhD.
Oh, yeah.
So you did talk to him every month.
I did, because my ex-husband got his PhD, I think, the year before or the year before.
Oh, I see.
About the same time.
Also in psychology?
Yes.
And you had a friend, a colleague.
A colleague.
A colleague.
With whom did he study?
Yes.
You remember anyone?
All right.
Well, good enough.
And you don't have a copy of your father's dissertation.
No.
Well, it does.
Again, no problem.
I can get a copy of that.
Okay.
Because I have become myself quite involved with the former members of the new school, so I am
quite a few of them.
All right.
So how did his career go on after the 1950s?
He wanted to provide with practice.
Uh-huh.
And he lived on the West Side.
Yeah.
And he married Evelyn, whatever her name was.
So that was his third marriage?
Yeah.
Was she an immigrant or was he an American?
No, no.
He was American.
All right.
And so for how many years roughly?
Was it quite a long time when he lived on the West Side?
Yes.
So quite a few years.
Until he died.
Oh, until he died.
Yeah.
So we are speaking, this was 80.
This was 90.
No.
What am I going to say?
No.
When did he die?
94, right?
80.
Or 84.
Oh, yeah.
84 back.
So we are talking about 25 to 30 years.
Yeah.
Above.
Do you know what happened to his third wife?
Yeah.
She died six weeks after he died of cancer.
Oh, I see.
So also 84.
What was the death date of your father?
What was his father?
The death date.
Oh, January 10th.
And the only person who remembered that is my daughter in law.
Yes, we just talked about that.
Oh, January 10th, 1984.
Right.
And his wife died about six weeks later.
Six weeks later.
All right.
Tell me a little, yeah.
Then going a little bit back, and I have seen some of his writings and some of the papers.
So he became then, so he had a private practice on the one hand.
On the other hand, he was also involved in this association.
New care.
Yeah, and then, but he also was writing a number of papers.
What kind of papers?
A one of them is a service of that movie.
But otherwise, was it more politics or more psychology?
Mostly against the bomb fighting.
So he did less in terms of giving papers in the field of psychology.
So psychology was his profession, which he practiced.
Let's say at home.
Yeah.
Oh, I see.
All right.
And you already mentioned this one colleague.
Yeah.
Right.
Who was connected to him for a number of years, or several years.
Yeah.
All right.
So what do you know, what do you recall ever, maybe he mentioning about trying to write things other than politics?
I think we once went to a lecture that he gave, which was on what subject?
Which was more psychologically oriented.
So not really in literature again.
I don't think so unless there's something in the papers that you saw.
All right.
Tell me, since we're speaking about the works that maybe something can still be found about, let's say, the copy of this dissertation can be, but it can go.
Yeah. And he worked for years on existence with Royal May.
Oh, yeah.
Which is very important.
Yeah.
What, how did he get connected to Royal May?
That I don't know.
But anyway, they worked for a number of years on it.
Yes.
That you remember.
Yeah.
Did you meet Royal May?
I think I met him once.
Oh.
I think he was very charming.
All right.
Let's see.
What was it?
Yeah.
You would start telling me of his death and of the fact that a lot of his papers were lost at that time.
And it was telling me again the name of the person who took or may still have the manuscript of his phone.
I don't remember her name, but Dr. Lotton.
But she was the treasureer, you say, of this association.
Right.
And then later on moved to California.
Disappeared to California.
With the treasureer's money.
Oh, that too.
Yes.
And was there ever any prosecution of her?
No.
But that you have to check with Dr. Lotton because he was in touch with her.
And so in terms of what was left of your father's, let's say in the apartment at that time, you said that you were cleaning it out.
There was this probably important manuscript of his experience in that somehow.
Which I gave to her because she was a very good friend of my father's.
And it was never seen again.
I also called Dr. Lotton in about books which he may have wanted on psychology.
And then the rest we gave away.
It is books.
And we gave.
Did she have a nice library or a substantial library?
Well, then they went through together.
And what else was there in the apartment in terms of other rooms?
There was a couch which I gave to the psychological association.
And then in terms of papers, were there any documents and a transcripts, manuscripts and old stuff?
Well, probably whatever I have there, when I gave you.
So there was not that much left at that point?
Maybe there was.
You know, we had like a few hours to go through this and we did the best we could.
And when it concerned anything psychological, I accept to Dr. Lotton, you know, you go through this.
Because it's meaning, yes, to me.
So I, you know, and I got his desk which is in the other room.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, so you have a few sort of memory of being here.
And then in your life during those years was as for a number of years as a Galvest, what else?
So I started in advertising for a number of years?
Five years.
Yeah, and then I got married before that.
But what was the year of your marriage?
I think it's 52.
52.
I think.
I see.
And you worked in advertising before or after?
Well.
And then I guess was involved at home and then only later on started working as a Galvest.
Oh, whenever.
Yes.
Oh, okay.
Yes.
So you had one child, a son, and what is he lived?
He lives in Long Beach now.
California.
No, they are.
Well, Long Beach in New York.
That's one time.
And he has any children?
Sure.
The two?
Boys.
Five and eight.
So, sorry, something.
So they are in directly.
I guess descendants of Amsterdam.
Great.
Yeah, great.
Yeah, great.
Yeah.
My son is a lawyer.
And he was the director of the Arlington County Prison.
And now he's a consultant for prison.
In the state of New York.
No, all around.
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
When I was married, I was more than my knowledge was divorced.
Uh-huh.
Sort of as couples.
And besides the, it's colleague that you already mentioned, any other name that pops up in your mind?
You mentioned role may as a co-author.
Anyone else at all, where one could try to follow up?
Well, he did have one college who I've been totally out of touch with.
Who was that?
One on that list?
No.
Or is he was a psychologist?
Her name was Dorothy Postard.
Or the poster?
Yeah, but I don't know.
So an American born probably?
Yes.
Yes, he was a friend.
And then he had a cousin here, Susie Pau.
Oh, yeah.
Who used to be publishing in Vienna?
Susie Pau.
So younger than your father?
No.
Also, but his age for no longer alive.
No, she's not alive anymore.
However, the children of Soica are still living in California.
The children of Soica?
The children of Soica's daughter under any count of them.
Oh, I see.
They were being Soica's grandchildren.
Granchial.
And I'm in touch with them.
Yeah.
And what is their last name?
Parker.
Oh, Parker.
Yeah.
So no longer Soica, that name is disappeared.
No.
No.
That mother was Heidi Soica.
Oh, I see.
And Heidi Soica was his daughter.
You right.
And she committed suicide.
Oh, I see.
And left those two boys who are now living in California.
Oh, okay.
All right.
So Thomas Parker is the grandchild of Andcanny Parker.
Thomas and Canny Parker.
Where the two boys left behind were her mother, the mother committed suicide.
Which was when roughly, roughly, all that they know.
Tell me in Canny?
Yeah.
I think.
I just saw if they came in about two weeks ago.
So she committed suicide, what?
Four years ago.
She committed suicide when my son was about six.
So that's 40 years ago.
Oh, yes.
And.
Okay.
Now that you mentioned his involvement in this association, can you add a few more sentences
about this?
How come he became so involved in it?
I guess it.
You know, I have a lot of meanings for him.
He destroyed the nuclear bomb so that he was fighting hard.
And I remember we went to see Hiroshima, Mahmoud, and then we went to speech afterwards.
And one of the papers.
Oh, he did.
Yeah.
And he was really the president of this organization.
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
I noticed that there was an open letter to President Reagan.
Yes.
He wrote a lot of letters.
I see.
I inherited that.
I'm always writing letters.
I see.
What would it be?
To our mayor.
The other gripes about the city.
Yeah.
Okay.
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